California Says No to Gay Marriage
November 7th, 2008
California says no to gay marriage. Supporters of same-sex marriage have filed at least three lawsuits challenging a ban on gay marriage in California after the state approved an initiative Tuesday to restrict marriage to heterosexual couples. California residents voted to amend the Constitution in Tuesday’s general election by a vote of 52 percent to 48 percent in near complete results. Voters in Arizona and Florida also approved amendments to ban gay marriage in their respective states.
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Thank you Jesus! Those of us who are believers and who prayed against gay marriages, our prayers have been answered. When will people realize this is not of God and homosexuality is a sin. Please don’t get me wrong, I don’t dislike gay people. If that were the case, then I would have something against those fornicating, adulterers, liars, etc. It’s the lifestyle that some of us choose to live that displeases God. God loves everyone no matter what he forgives us of our sins over and over(grace and mercy)again but we need to repent, ask for forgiveness and sin less. None of us are perfect. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Let’s not distort the word of God.
I LOVE ALL PEOPLE ..’GAY PEOPLE “..I HAVE NO FEAR OF THEM , THEY ARE PEOPLE JUST LIKE THE REST OF US. BUT LIVING IN A WORLD ..’WHERE RELIGION’..IS THE MAIN STREAM ..’GAY MARRIAGE “..WILL HAVE TO TAKE A BACK SEAT ON THE BUS. I DO THINK THAT A ..’GAY COUPLE’..THAT LIVE TOGETHER SHOULD HAVE ALL THE BENEFITS OF..” HEALTH CARE’. AND..” INSURANCE’. . BUT THE TRICK IS HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT PARTNERSHIP FOR LEGAL PURPOSES!!
Nicely Stated! Very Well Put!
It appears the voters in CA have spoken. Why can’t those of gay rights understand this? I will make this as fundamentally clear as I can. Just like those who are gay can’t be swayed to be strictly hetersexual, neither can most people be swayed to believe that gay marriage is a wholly sanctified one. America and the Constitution are built and based on christian principles and thats just the way it is. You can’t force people to go against their core beliefs or belive in something they don’t. However we still have to show love and tolerance to others even when we don’t agree. The gay community needs to be patient a while longer. Heck, look how long it took to elect the first black man president in the USA.. It is written, “Do not feed the babe more than it can eat.” We need time to reflect on what has just happened, whats going on now, and the more pressing issues that are very troubling and effecting our nation as a whole.
I was happy to read the vote decision on gay marriage. It shows that just because you live in California — doesn’t mean Californian’s approve of gays. The Family structure is still important to most Californians. I don’t believe the lawsuits will change much, for the VOTE of the people shall reign mightily. God principles are still rule in the hearts of mankind. I am proud of the Vote to ban gay marriages. God created Man and Woman (Adam & Eve) and not Danny and Steve.
Kee, a course on Homosexuality and the Bible would serve you well. Since there are probably bible thumping/church going people on this site — if you read through your bible surrounding weddings — no priest or rabbi ever performed one — the women where GIVEN in marriage by their FATHERS. The women had no say and were lower than cattle. I’m sure many will defer to the book of Romans — if you read the scripture clear –these where heterosexuals CHANGING their SEXUAL BEHAVIORS. Some will refer to the Book of Leviticus –there are 600+ laws in this book — the part about a man laying with a man as with a woman — these are rules for those studying to become Levitical Priests — I don’t know too many GLBT persons pursuing that endeavor. I’m an ordained minister and have been ministering to the GLBT commmunity for over 20 years — I’ve performed same-sex Holy Unions as well as different gendered weddings. The sin is NOT being in relationship with someone of the same gender — the sin is not having love, not giving love and not recving love. Jesus never said anything about homosexuality being a sin — you want find it in the King James Version in the New Testament no matter how hard you look. The term “h omosexua lityR 21; was only coined in the 1930s and due to the numerous versions of the bible was the term was inserted in the 1950’s. Over the past 10-15 years some (STRAIGHT) theologians who have studied the languages of the bible have come to the conclusion that there is nothing in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. Yes people will point to Sodom — but if you read it clearly — this was the whole time — men and women coming to have sex with the Angels in Lots house and he was WILLING to THROW OUT his OWN Daughter (some Dad). Furthermore, you don’t hear the preachers spitting out sermons about what happened in the cave between Lot and his daughters — I believe today we call it INCEST!
God’s Word is not being distorted — it’s being clarified.
Lynn - saying you have no FEAR of them — we’re not asking anyone to have FEAR — we’re asking for equal rights not “special rights” as opponents would have people believe. And your statement that “gay marriage will have to take a back seat on the bus” — I’m an African-American Woman and relationship with another African-American Woman and we take a back seat to NO ONE or NO THING! Your question how to define the partnership for legal purposes — you put it on paper just like hetero relationships. The only difference is one is same-sex the other is different gendered. It’s not complicated and it’s not rocket since. And you dissolve them in the same way. GLBT congregations who perform Holy Unions also dissolve them at the request of the couple — hetero churches (unless Catholic) don’t do that.
There are corporations that offer domestic partnership benefits and some city and state governments do so as well. What opponents of this practice do not want the public to know is — when I carry my partner on my health insurance the premiums paid by my employer are viewed as compensation and therefore at the end of the year I have to pay taxes on those premiums because they are after-tax dollars — a heterosexual couple does not. When city and state governments decide to do this for there GLBT employees there is such a backlash. I look at it this way — you let me pay for me or mine or you can pay for mine with your tax dollars. If mine doesn’t have health insurance and has to go to the county hospital — who pays for it — YOU DO — YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK as the sign says.
Peace,
LEVITICUS Chapter 18 vs.22
Says “Thou should not lie with mankind, as with womankind: It is an abomination.
It is unmistakable what the Word of God is saying.
I like the previous comments agree.
I love you with the love God gave me to love you with!
Yes you need healthcare like any human being does. Yes! you should enjoy all the rights afforded us by the constitution of the United States. How dare you try to convince me that sin should be made law and it is perfectly alright to smear it in the face of our children. To demand to be reconized as “Holy Matrimony” It is far from holy. I sin also! But “It is what it is”
religious followers are so narrow minded. easily swayed — easily fooled.
banning gay marriage is wrong and you ignorant $~@*@~*?%.
am toatally shock that cali overturned that ruling
but i cant say am sad by the fact
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Some people have no fear of god. They can choose to live how they want to but now that aint enough they want to tarnish the Sanctity of marriage. Just because they want to feel ligit. Just like the devi to leavr nothing sacred. They dont understand and dont want to.
We all sin….everyday of our lives! There are people who believe in God and those who don’t. Where in the bible does it say that man has the right to proclaim himself better than everybody else. The Lord is my savior and I have to answer to him. I’ve struggled and argued with gay mariage, yet when all is said and done, it is for that person or people to answer to the Lord. Not our government, not us. The same government and other people who denied Blacks their rights. Having been though this before, don’t you think we as a people should understand. But my words fall on deaf ears…
TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!!!! LET’S CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR THIS MESS! IT’S NOT OF GOD AND HE DOES NOT APPROVE OF THIS. WE BELIEVERS MUST ALWAYS PRAY AND STAY BEFORE HIM! THESE EVIL SPIRITS THAT HAVE TAKEN FLIGHT AND TRYING TO OVERTAKE GOD LAWS MUST KNOW WHO’S REALLY IN CHARGE!
Gemmie — let us not forget — the framers of the Constitution where also considered good Christian men that OWNED SLAVES. They had the opportunity to ban slavery and because of what it would cost them financially — they chose not too.
Big d– I have performed Holy Unions for GLBT people and Weddings for different gendered people — one is just as important as the other. Preachers who do not believe in GLBT ceremonies don’t have to perform them and preachers who perform different gendered ceremonies “just because we want to get married” without providing couples counseling is doing a disservice to that couple. I have been in the situation where a same-gendered couple desired to have a Holy Union; however, due to their attitudes and behavior towards each other I directed them to a therapist that could better assist them in handling their issues — they were not ready.
Oh and Sweetpea — if you read the Creation story — you will find that Adam and Eve where in the eastern portion of the garden. God just didn’t create the East — he also created the North, South, and the West — so who knows what God put in those directions. And if only Adam and Eve where on earth where did Cain get his wife from — did he marry his Sister?
Love — I know who’s in charge on a daily basis — there are many GLBT Christians who have reconciled their sexuality with their spirituality and are at peace with who they are and more importantly WHOSE THEY ARE!
Question — Do you ever wonder if God made GLBT people to see how the straight folks would treat us?
Get over it, you lost. Marriage should stay traditional, between man and woman. If they change it, whats next??? I heard someone say its possible two men could be dancing as a couple on the TV show “Dancing with the Stars”. Even my wife says that sounds disgusting. To each his own, but if Bill decides to blow his friend Bob, everyone doesn’t need to know about it. I understand the benefits for the domestic partner argument and they should get benefits, but leave it at that. I’m sure some gay teachers will teach it in schools, if we all vote it’s ok, or normal, why wouldn’t they. I voted against same-sex marriage and will continue to do so.
Nadine! Homosexuality is a SIN! God ordained marriage between 1 man and 1 woman. I don’t know what Bible you are reading, but God’s Word says to be “fruitful and multiply”. 2 men and 2 women can not bear children TOGETHER! When Noah built the ark there was 1 each of a male and female, so… You have it twisted and should re-read or just go out and purchase THE UNCOMPROMISING WORD OF GOD “The Bible” in layman’s terms because you have it TWISTED Sistah.
God I thank you in the Name of Jesus for the VICTORY over this Proposition for gay marriage in Arizona, Florida and California. Thank you Lord for showing up and showing out in this election. I pray for my Sistah Nadine’s eyes to be opened and her ears open to hear and receive wisdom from your Word! Hallelujah to the Lamb of GOD!
The people have spoken. You gays need to accept the verdict & be happy with your civil unions.
The only sacred union ever created was the one between a MAN & a WOMAN!!!!. We wouldn’t be here to talk about any of this if that were not so.
oh shut up samuel your just hating b/c u have nothing better to do then talk about other ppl. the only person u need to worry about is yourself and stay out of other ppls business. if gay ppl want to get marry then thats on them it don’t effect u what so ever.
Awww can’t we all just get along?
I aint got nothing against Gays… y’all funny; (no pun intended)… But NO NO NO to changing the sacred union between a MAN & A WOMAN!!!
Were would you be Terri if it wasn’t for your MOM & DAD???
I am happy about this decision! God Bless America and keep us from the sins of the people! Keep us God!
WE CAN NOT BE DICTATOR, GOD THIS NOT WANT .IT BECAUSE THE LAW OF GOD A INTUTITION DIVINE,MEN AND WOMEN.
PUT ON THEIR CASE RAHAB WAS A PROSTITUTE GOD FORGIVE .
BUT THE PRESIDENT NOT AGREE WITH THEM .
BUT HE WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO GIVE THEM THEIR RIGHT.
EVEN SOME OPPOSE. ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE .IF THEY DON’T WANT TO CHANGE. GOD CONTINUE IS BLESSING WITH A MEN AND A WOMEN .THAT GOD PROPUCE LINE CONTINUE.
BUT HE FORGIVE FOR THOSE IT WILL WANT TO CHANGE OR EVEN NOT CHANGE BUT WILL UNDERSTAND.BECAUSE GOD IS GOD
First of all NaDine, I’m not here to debate homosexuality. I believe in what God’s word says about homosexuality,whether or not the word itself was introduce in 1930. It doesn’t matter, it is what it is. And I don’t need a course of what the bible says. I know what the bible says about all sins not just this one but since this is the subject please read (Romans 1:18-32, God’s Wrath Against Mankind) verses 26-27 states: “& #8230; 8230;.Be cause of this,God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.” I’m not sure what bible you are reading but you have been deceived by the deceiver himself, Satan. I don’t care how long you’ve been an ordained minister, obviously you don’t know the truth and haven’t been convicted or convinced by God’s word. Remember Satan knows scripture too only he distorts it. Be blessed!
Lynn made a good point!
D. Alexander, I so agree with you. The message is right on time. Nadine, I love you inspite of what you and others are going through! Let this message start from the West and work it’s way all the way down to the North until it’s sent all over the World!!! We are praying for deliverance of all sins! and we must constantly ask for forgiveness! I’m not in the position to judge but I thank God that I’m in the position to pray for evil and wickedness!!!
BET where tha fwck is my dam.n komment?!?
SEE THAT’S WHATS WRONG WITH THE WORLD NOW; JUST LIKE THAT SONG SAID PPL , NEED TO SWEEP AROUND YOUR OWN FRONT DOOR BEFORE U TRY TO SWEEP AROUND OTHERS. PPL CAN SAY THIS & THAT JUST LET IT BE BECAUSE GOD KNEW HOW HIS PPL WILL TURN OUT SO, DONT JUDGE NO ONE CAUSE, IF U DOING THAT HELL U SINNING NOW. IT BEEN HEAR BEFORE U GOT HEAR & U GOTTA LEAVE IT BEHIND U BECAUSE IT IS REAL. SO DONT JUDGE CAUSE AS LONG AS PPL GOT LIFE U DONT KNOW WHAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP PPL HAVE WITH GOT WE JUST ALL HEAR TO REPENT. PPL JUST NEED TO DO THAT & SAY OUT OF PPL LIVES THAT U DONT EVEN KNOW!!!! !!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! !!!!
F*** your god!!!!!!..how do you knowif there is a god !!!!!!! again F*** YOUR GOD…MY ???? LOVES EVERYONE!!!!!
It’s such a shame that discrimination such as this was passed. I voted no, just as my sister, but a couple of older family members voted ‘yes’ based on ignorant fears. What’s so wrong with two people who love each other, marrying? I am so ashamed of Californians who voted yes, and in general those who bash these people for wanting to attain rights and equality promised to all people of the United States. Even more so when we elected an outstanding individual such as Barack Obama for our next president, only to have the same day marked as continuous discrimination over people who are…well people. The inhumane ones are those who dare strip them of rights. Ugh. So unfathomable.
this is what sin an ignorance as don to the world, evil will rein but only for a short time but the love of GOD AND HIS MERCY ENDURES FOR EVER, GOD BLESS GOOD PEOPLE
BY BY amercia hope not to see you late.
Just do way with amercia.
FOR REAL,
SORRY BOO BOO, BUT, ANYBODY WHO USES PROFANITY AND GOD’S NAME IN THE SAME SENTENCE IS OBVIOUSLY DERANGED!!!
david,
your ticket out of America is waiting at the airport, please use it!
NADINE..”THERE IS NOTHING HOLY”.. ABOUT THE UNIONS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. THATS WERE YOU TAKE UP YOUR OWN MEANINGS OF WHAT THE ..”LORD”.. ANOINTS AND APPROVES.
Alot of people seem to twist the Bible’s words into their own to fit their circumstance or lifestyle. Yes the Bible was meant to be interpreted but not for our situations every now and then when it fits. Please stop making the Bible fit your lifestyle just because you choose to live in sin.
David is a retard and For Real is crazy. And gays are nasty
There is a Documentary Called “So the Bible Tells me so” You should watch it. The bible says what you percieve it to say. And Religious people get too over the top when they think what they live and say is how things should be. We live in this world together and as long as YOU do what you think is right it shouldn’t matter what others doas long as they are not hurting you!!, Especially in marrage. You create your own destiny, and so should anyone else. I am just boggled by the fact that the some Church spent so much money to band this. Most people won’t even give the people outside the grocery store money for the homeless and they gave the Church Money to get in OTHER PEOPLES BUISNESS! We fought for Equal Rights and now people are fighting for UNEQUAL rights. What sence does that make. We are going backwards in some sences. Maybe if you watch the documentary I was talkin about you will get a better understanding of this subject! Things are not always what they appear to be! None of you are GOD so be easy Love one another, Smile, give peace, and live everyday to it’s fullest to make your life on this earth count. And BRITTANY is doing Exactly what she is telling others not to do. Chill and let people Live!!!!!!!!!!!!
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yes samuel that is true unless the women was artifically inseminated, and wasn’t married or even with a guy, so u can’t always say that a man and a women should be married. cuz a woman can have babies and not be married to a guy and could get married to a woman. two gay women could raise the child it doesn’t always revolve around a woman and a man being together.
This is a shame. I am a openly gay BLACK proud woman, Serving in our Armed Forces. I’m reading everyone’s opinion. Everyone is entitiled to one. All the negative ones do not matter. At the end of the day God will determine where we will go and what will happen to us. None of us are God so who are we to determine what is going to happen when we leave this earth. Like I stated before all the negative opinions that are formed do not matter. We are human such as u, we pay taxes such as u, we have college degrees, we are doctors, teachers, nurses, lawyers, jugdes, anything people is society hold high expectations for. So my question is why are we being frowned upon. I am proud of who I am and who I have been for the majority of my life. I could care less who likes it and who doesn’t. The fact of the matter is we are all people and should be treated as such no matter what. There are much bigger things going on in life such as crime, poverty, amongst several other issues. For God’s sake we just made history in having the first black man nominated as president. Furthermore, he is now our President-elect. We all made it an point to get out and vote. America decided this is who we want to lead our country. No Obama may not have agree with the same views on homosexuality however that is his opinion and he’s entitled to it as well. Let’s not spread the ignorance.
@BABICAKEZ 007
How can you be “openly” gay in the armed forces? Just curious.
You said that you have been this for “the majority of (your)life.” At some point did you discover that you were gay?
Because I’m not sure how much you know about gays in the military we are allowed to serve.. Nobody cares about who your sleeping with. With that being said. Everyone in my personal life knows about my lifestyle. On the other hand, most of the people I work with/ for know about my sexual preference. Now before people go forming these opinions about my life as they have on others. Let me just say the military does go againist my belief on homosexuality. This is fine with me, I have made a career out of the military and I plan to keep it that way until somebody higher than me has that authority to take this away from me. Now, it is true however i can be Administratively Seperated from the military under Other Than Honorable conditions, But if the military feels i am an great asset they will keep me. They just wish I wouldn’t speak about my lifestyle. This is where my stance and the military’s stance clash. No i do not walk around with my sexual preference written on my forehead, However when someone and alot of people do ask about my fiance they AUTOMATICALLY think she’s a man. I don’t agree so I correct them. How they feel about it I could care less. I am a firm believer in standing up for what i believe as many people do and should if its stands close to their heart.
I’m just praying for deliverance of all that have sinned!!! That does not exclude me! Why do individuals try to make wrong right? If God destroyed a city of sin way back then he’s the same God that will do it again. Like I said let pray for the weak through whatever the differences may be! We all are God’s childrens. Let the love of God take control of the wicked hearts of man so that they may come into the understanding of God’s plan. Moses lead the people out of Egypt and look how they turned on God after he had delivered them. The Bible tells us that many will be left behind just pray you will not be one of them!!!!
Amen to what you said Love! “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” But those who claim they know the word of God and are comprimising as not to hurt others feelings, shame on you. This is not hurting anyone’s feelings by telling the truth. People stop trying to change God’s word to make your case. This is not just for homosexuals but for all sins. God still loves us all no matter what we’ve done. He just want us to live right pleasing Him. I really do know where I’m going when I leave this earth(heaven)not because I’ve done everything right but because I confessed and believed in my heart that Jesus died for all of my sins,was buried and rose again,I have faith and stand on the word of God.
How dare ANYONE especially BLACK americans say that this OPPRESSION is okay, even right?! I am black. I am straight and I know that it is NEVER okay to make laws against the civil and HUMAN rights of any human being. The point isn’t marriage. The so called ’sanctity’ of marriage has gone to hell in this country years ago. It is the fact that ALL people no matter their color, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity… etc, deserve the same EQUAL HUMAN RIGHTS. not “special” rights but equal rights. All of you who are praising Jesus name in joy at the passing of Prop 8. need to go back and really understand what Jesus is about. Shame on you. We will NOT stand for this kind of dehumanization. We will fight back and I will back ANY group of people who are being oppressed and dehumanized.
We will never be free until all of us are free. We will never be equal until EVERYONE is equal. And we will never have peace until we have justice.
Peace
This is great! Now we can work on baning fornication,hate,lying and adultery.We can’t ban one and not ban the others.If we are going to do this,lets go all the way.We can’t pick and choose what we like or don’t like in the Bible.Keep the bible and God out of this.This is a secular thing…And remember,God is still saving lives.
Matthew 7:13-15 (KJV-1611)
“13 Enter ye in at the strait gate, for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which goe in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way which leadeth vnto life, and few there be that finde it.
15 Beware of false prophets which come to you in sheepes clothing, but inwardly they are rauening wolues.& #8221; p>
Luke 13:24-27 (KJV-1611)
“24 Striue to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say vnto you, will seeke to enter in, and shall not be able
25 When once the master of the house is risen vp, & hath shut to the doore, and ye begin to stand without, & to knocke at the doore, saying, Lord, Lord, open vnto vs, and he shal answere, & say, I know you not whence you are:
26 Then shall yebegin to say, Wee haue eaten and drunke in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence you are; depart from me all ye workers of iniquiti e.” ;
A couple other scriptures, that seem fitting in this particular forum:
2 Peter 2:1 (KJV-1611)
“Bvt there were false prohets also among the people, euen as there shall bee false teachers among you, who priuily shall bring in damnable heresies, euen denying the Lord that bought them, and bring vp on themesleues swift destruct ion.R 21;
James 3:1 (KJV-1611)
“My brethren, bee not many masters, knowing that we shall receiue the greater condemna tion. 221;
We just need to pray diligently and hold fast to the Word of God, especially for those who call themselves ministers, pastors, preachers and teachers, because theirs will be the greatest punishment. We can’t convince those with ears, that don’t hear, that have eyes, but don’t see. We must pray, and leave it to the Holy Spirit to do the rest. As God will have it, those who will be saved from His wrath will be saved, the rest will be destroyed, it is His Holy and perfect Will, evil CAN NOT enter in to God’s Kingdom. We must pray, in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, that their ears will hear and their eyes will see.
To be honest I think that no one has the right to tell another person how to feel or how to love. There are all different types of people in the world that do a lot of thing people would not agree with. How are you to judge any one only GOD has the power to judge so that means that the government and everyone else is trying to play GOD. Please let these people live how ever they want and when they want. Be like me and just mind your own business.
BE GAY, BE STRAIGHT, BE MALE AND FEMALE, BE DOG AND WOMAN, DOG AND MAN!!!!!!! GOD GIVES US FREE WILL TO CHOOSE WE CAN’T TAKE THAT AWAY. JUST KNOW THAT WE WILL ALL BE JUDGED ONE DAY!! ON THE OTHER HAND THOSE THAT DON’T AGREE WITH YOUR PERSONAL CHOICE TO PARTNER WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX OR CHANGE YOUR SEX HAVE A RIGHT AS WELL. YOUR RIGHTS AND BELEIFS ENDS WHERE OURS BEGINS. WHAT YOU WANT IS PERSONAL AND NOT A NATIONAL DEBATE. HUMAN RIGHTS IS THE LAW NOT PERSONAL RIGHTS. I GEUSS IF I ~~~%@ ENOUGH I CAN ADD MY MOM, OR MY BROTHER ON MY HEALTH INSURANCE HUH!! MAYBE WE SHOULD!!!
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