Stir Up Some Fear to Win
February 25th, 2008
By Pamela Gentry, Senior Poltical Producer
Posted Feb. 26, 2008 – Until this recent stunt by the Clinton campaign, I had hoped folks would see a contest waged without getting low down and dangerously dirty by Democratic rivals.
But today’s alledged actions by the Clinton campaign, tells me they want a win and they’ll do just about anything to do so. I’m sure Black Americans will be in no mood to forgive and forget this recent stunt so closely on the heels of a discussion about the safety of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.)
The release of a photo of Obama in traditional Somali clothing during a 2006 trip to African was sent to the conservative website Drudgereport.com (without explanation) to get the policy conversation off of NAFTA. The website says the picture came from the Clinton campaign.
Maggie Williams, who’s Black, wouldn’t even deny leaking the photo, and released a statement saying, “If Barack Obama’s campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely.”
They knew the photo could and would be misunderstood, just what they wanted. This dirty little trick could cost the Clinton campaign more than they ever imagined.
I can’t wait to see what Williams has in store next.
Posted Feb. 27, 2008 – On Tuesday afternoon, I received a call followed by an email from one of the folks at Clinton camp whom I have worked with for a long time expressing concern about this blog. She said the campaign has no proof this photo of Obama was sent to the Drudgereport by a member of their team, and asked that information be shared with my readers. Here’s what she had to say;
“Hey Pamela …
Just wanted to follow up with you on today’s blog posting … as we discussed earlier …the first sentence implies that the campaign has put out this photo. Senator Clinton (and the campaign doesn’t condone this type of practice). No one at the campaign had seen this alleged Email or this photo until we saw it on the Drudge Report along with the rest of the media (and at this moment no one has yet to see it). That being said, can you update your blog to reflect that the campaign did not have anything to do with this “stunt” — this, as I said, does not do anything positive for our campaign so the question for you would be “why would we engage in this type of tactic?” Thanks for your attention to this matter.
Best, TRACI”
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Racial overtones and ethnic smears are to be expected. Expecially from the disperate and absence of substance. We must ask ourselves does Bush’s wear of African dress make him a radical? Or Ronald Reagan had worn a Irish Kelt doing his journey to Ireland made him a Northern Ireland Republican Army sympathizer? Ridiculous and baseless. Many in America are tired of the same race and ethnic politics. Again WE NEED A CHANGE. Obama 08
Frankly in someways its encouraging, it shows they,being the opponents are Mr. Obama are running out of options.
I cannot even begin to describe the outright shame….dissapointment is a severe understatement. This is plain disgusting tactics on the part of the Hillary Camp. It instults the intelligence of the American people, and it sheds light on the once disputable, now plain sight fact that Hillary Clinton would do absolutely anything to win.
I’VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR A WHILE ! HILLARY CLINTON WILL STOP AT NOTHING. SHE IS COLD AND SHE IS HEARTLESS. THIS IS WHY BILL NEEDED MONICA IN
THE FIRST PLACE! IF SHE DOES’NT WIN THIS NOMINATION A DIVORICE WILL SOON FOLLOW!
SHE’S CALLIND IN ALL FAVORS NOW. OBAMA WILL NOW
BE HIT WITH EVERYTHING SHE’S GOT AND WITH WHAT
ALL THOSE WHO THINK LIKE HER HAS GOT. THAT A LITTLE PARTING SPEECH SHE GAVE THE NIGHT OF THE DEBATE HAS A PLOY. MOST LIKELY MANIFESTED BY NO
OTHER THAN MAGGIE WILLIAMS?? IF WE REALLY WANT
THIS WE WILL HAVE TO DO OUR PART AS WELL! CALL
FRIENDS AND REALATIVES LET THEM KNOWN WHAT’S
GOING ON ! SPREAD THE WORD….THIS IS SO A
TYPICAL OF WHITE SOUTHERNS TO GO AND GET ANOTHER
BLACK PERSON TO DO IN A BLACK PERSON. HOUSE N—-
FIELD N—–. WHEN WILL IT END???
the clintons ladies and gentleman playing for all to see willing to do or say anything to
win
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsBixtxhur0
barack obama for president,hillary clinton will destroy the democratic party just because she is loseing, step aside hillary your a old corrupt politician
It’s about time people of color see the Clinton’s for what they really are when it comes to playing the race card… I think Hispanics need to realize if this demeaning attack can be done to Obama then it can be done to any person of color; wake-up and realize this lady is phony every day of the week…
This photo should have been published before this… as stated, other American Politicians have traveled and worn clothing from other countries… big deal… if anyone has a problem with the picture then they are the ones that have doubts about obama…
Hillary is going to start crying again very soon! I hope she remember that payback is a
B*!
ohioman,
you can sell that line of bull somewhere else. We all know why that photo was released by the Clintons. It is a ploy to try to put fear in people about Obama being a Muslim, which he is not.
Lets get the facts straight,Obama was wearing traditional Somali attire,be it Muslim attire is not here nor there.This fear and hate mongering is why we are in the quagmire/fiasco we are in.America(far too many) needs too stop being religious bigots living in fear of all those who are not like WHITE america,if not we will continue too slide down the slippey slope that exist.
First of all, being a Muslim does not mean you are a terrorist. Second, Obama has stated repeatedly that he is not a Muslim. Third, why should it matter anyway? I want a change. I’m tired of people playing politics with my life. I’m tired of rich people getting over on poor and middle class people. My family has worked hard all their life and we barely have much to show for it. I will vote for Obama in 08′.
Hillary is mentally unstable! She clearly will try to destroy anyone that is not on her side. The good thing about it is God says whats in the dark will come into the light. Hillary’s true colors are shining bright. She will stop at nothing to win! God don’t like ugly Hillary, go home and pray for forgiveness.
Tonights debate will be interesting. We are taking bets on which of Hillary Clintons mulitple personality shows up!
I pray that Obama is sharp as a tack. That he doesn’t let her get any side quips in and that he has strong detailed objections to all the crap she may bring up.
Tonights debate will hopefully put a nail in Hillary’s Political coffin and keep it sealed forever…Go work in the private sector Hillary..they need more corrupt CEO’s in this world! (sarcasm)
I’m very concerned about Hillary’s apparent manic depressive and/or bi-polar behavior,especially if she somehow becomes President.Christy341 if you are betting I recommend you cover all bases because her back is against the wall and she probably feels compelled too throw everything but the kicthen sink.
This is typical of presidential canidates and dosen’t suprise me at all. Every election has a canidate or two who will pull up dirt on the other. The American people will realize that this is a desprate grasp in hopes of maintianing her votes and possibly gaining some new or lost ones. Another thing is more sad then her sending this picture to the public, is that fact that the news reacts and posts it all over the place. I feel that if we continue to support obama and don’t react to it then we defeated her whole purpose of making it public in the first place.
Hillary’s mental state should be the issue here….we have gone from….”I am honored to be running against you…to meet me in Ohio Barack Obama”…..she is EXTREMELY unstable but thankfully so she is showing it to ALL of America….
I called it a week ago….before March 4th..HILL will shut it down and drop out…this debate will be the nail in the coffin! Get the straight jacket ready and Bill you will be single soon ….
Umm do you REALLY think she’d do something like this? The Clinton camp is being blamed for this and they have said they had nothing to do with it. You all are just as bad as the people who just automatically assume the man is Muslim. Go read some facts.
One thing is for sure - Black people have come forth as the MOST racist group around. I’m ashamed.
jfffnn yep you are correct hillary has some sort of “condition” and i too am inclined to think she is gonan go for broke and toss the kitchen sink and the entire sub division at him. right now she is mad as hell cuz she KNEW and ASSUMED she had this thing all wrapped up then along comes this dude withthe funny sounding name and now she is assed out! hillary is a scary broad and after tonight once her typical bitterness shows, i shudder to think there are still people who would vote for this clown.
i am sure the typical white suburban soccer and t-ball moms will vote for her cuz she is a woman and if she breaks down again it will be cuz they pickin on her and we all know what happens after that. i guess that bill clinton gully juice aint all that potent! lol
Of course the Clinton campaign is responsible for this picture. Of course they are dirty and are getting muddier by the minute. Of course Maggie”Carl Rove” Williams is slinging the dirt around. These are their last days in which to throw Americans into a crazed frenzy.
When it comes to Clinton you can forget unity, and peace because what she thrives on is confusion and cohersion. So if she can destroy everything on her way to the top what does she care…so long as she is on top.
SHAME ON YOU HILLARY CLINTON. You don’t care about Americans at all!
the more i think about this, the less i think hillary had anything to do w/ it, for a couple reasons:
1st, yeah, i think she knows how to pick a fight, but this is just too stupid, & i she’s definitely not stupid.
2, i’m not tryin to believe ANYTHING that comes outta the drudge report
3, who REALLY has to gain from this kinda bullsh*t? the other side…
with one picture they can smear BOTH progressive candidates; makin her look bad to us & him look bad to idiots who are scared of anyone wearin a turban. win-win, divide n conquer for the republicans.
somethin to think about. feel free to comment, i’m wondering what other people think.
This is why I do not pay any attention to these elections. All they seem to want to do is try to make each other look like liars and fools instead of trying to figure out the right thing to do about the state that we are all in. It’s not good.
Is it the way somebody with experience is supposed to act?SHAME ON YOU HILARY!SHAME ON YOU Madam!
This is so typical. Maggie (what’s her face), had to be the one who did the dirty work.We as black folks, have complained so much about not being able to do anything because of ”the white man” now we have the oppotunity to have a black President in office, and we have more white folk, behind him than his own kind. That’s why we are still NIGGAS!!! Maggie is the head of the ~~$*? BUNCH SHE IS JUST PAID A LITTLE BIT MORE!!! THIS IS SO SAD.
GO OBAMA!!!
Interesting article. Might explain some of the nutty responses I get on these blogs.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/14/AR2008021403105.html?sub=new
HILLARY 2008
I’m confused. This is a poorly written report. Who is Maggie Williams, and why is her quote significant?
williams is clinton’s campaign manager, used to be her chief of staff at the white house. yeah, this really is poorly written. by the way, the link i clicked said “is team hillary behind this?”, but the aticle just assumes she is??
Shame on you Hillary Clinton!!! (and Magie Williams)
i agree MAX1211. that’s what b.o. supporters do. defend him no matter what. and blame hillary for everything.
click on the link i provided above for more insight into the mentality of some b.o. supporters.
HILLARY 2008
Maggie Williams – I won’t waste my time on someone that clearly appears to be a dummy that’s deaf and blind. (Happy she’s in the Hillary Clinton’s Camp) Smiling…….
Let’s stay focus ~~ Yes, contact all your friend and family members in TEXAS to VOTE for Obama!
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max and kris! STOP IT!
The two of you are questioning whether Hillary had any knowledge of this deplorably conniving tactic beforehand? Come on. This Desperate Transparently Weak Low Down Low Character Smear Stunt is consistent with Hillary’s smug and fickle demeanor during debates. YOU KNOW IT and I KNOW IT!
hmmmm…IT MAKES ONE WONDER IF SHE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SECRET SERVICE INCIDENT(’S)!
YET ANOTHER PATHETIC EXERCISE IN FUTILITY!
God Bless brother Obama.
according to the drudge report, someone from the clinton camp put the photo out. maggie williams neer acknowledged that it was someone from her camp but did say that obama should not be offended but the first lady goes there and dresses up all the time and no one says anything. BS!!!!! her name is not barrack hussein obama it’s hillary rodham clinton and she certainly doens’t have anyone calling her a terrorist. she is a disgrace…
also, the clinton camp is now putting out the kitchen sink on obama as a last mintue effort. kris, your candidate not only has compared this man to bush, mocked him openly about his message that she lacks, has blown through her(and your money if you are donating) money and has lost 11 contests in a row. when are you gonna realize that you candidate will do anything to win and the country and dem party be d*mned? if she had that much judgment, she should know that if she was to get the nomination, then she needs to end this b*llsh*t. because there’s a lot of people out there who won’t vote for her. you should be offended by this intentional fear mongering
hillary clinton mocked god himself. saying that
obama has people waiting for the heavens to
open up and make everything ok, choirs will be
singing and things will be perfect! did anyone
else catch this on the news? am i crazy or has
she lost her mind!
what do you think (kris)
This tactic proves Sen. Obamas’ point in a debate a couple months ago. The Clinton camp is using the post 9/11 fears of anything that appears to be unamerican or unchristian like to be a threat. I am sure Sen. Clinton would be upset and embrassed if Sen. Obama pulled up some old photos of her posing as something that she is not or later claim to not agree with.
Hillary is acting like an evil ememy of Barack. However, God will make Hillary, Barack’s foot stool. Hillary be thy careful!
Now, what do you Obama-worshipping people say? Obama said that he believed Hillary when she said she was not responsible for this picture. Your Obamagod says to not blame her. Will you disobey your Obamagod?
Wiserthanyouchldbe
You are a stupid person, get lost with this obamagod nonsence, What Barak is trying to do is help America black white whatever everybody. if we don’t support him America is in trouble.
Please black people do not make it a black white issue, because for the first time it’s not.
That’s why whites are supporting him. They know that they need help.If Obama does not win, it will be the white mans lost, America will end with John Mcain as president.
Obama will win Texas and Ohio. Everyone knows who the better person is, whites may vote for her because of her name, but the world knows who the best is. It’s like Micheal Jordan playing Larry Bird when they were at their best, who will win, easy answer. No contest. Hillary has to act like a 2 year old met me in Ohio, and she wants to be President, that is funny, she and bush should get married, great silly couple.
Hey Delusionalwiseone! I have a question for you …simpleton.
Why is it hat you vultures feel that singling out inconsequential garbage about Obama somehow validates your support of Hillary? I swear, you guys have even adopted Hillary’s low down opportunistic scavenger tactics. And like Hillary you hyena’s do not realize that the time and energy you expend manufacturing feeble little ineffective attacks are an utter exercise in futility. YOUR GIRL IS LOSING, STICK A FORK IN HER, SHE’S COOKED!
Hilary Clinton is the BEST person to run this country. The media and all those nieve supporters of Barack Obama are in for a rude awakening when the republican attack machine gets through with him. Barack Obama is the media darling today, but they are just building him up to tear him down. He hasn’t answered any SERIOUS questions from the media. In debates he agrees with and repeats everything Hilary says. He has been given a free ride in this contest, but his free ride will be over soon. I support Hilary and I want her to take this fight as far as it will go. She has earned the right to do so! Anyone who suggests she gets out of the race when neither of them will have enough delegates to win has their own agenda. A contest only ends when there is a winner. Keep fighting Hilary, there are millions of Americans who can think for themselves and have not jumped on the Barack Obama bandwagon. As an African American, I support Hilary and remember how she and her husband have stuck their necks out for minorities, the poor, and the middle class in this country. I’ve never been poled by anyone from the media because they don’t want to hear from anyone that supports Hilary. To them they know all of her skeletons in the closet, they are just salivating to find out the skeletons in Obamas closet and they can’t do that unless he is the nominee!
Good night for Obama. Our polls here show that we are leading now in Texas. Must continue to strive beyond the negative politics and mudslinging. Vote Vote Vote. A Change is Coming. Obama 08
Why hasn’t this photo been released before… why did it take 2 years?? If obama thinks that this is racist or prejudicial then he must have done it and then held in back for the purpose that it now serves!!!!!
Are you all ready to be honest and real, leave the double standard behind??
I doubt it… Afrian Americans mus now be held by the standards that they expect of other races.
first, PISSED, about “mocking God”. i HOPE you’re not referring to obama! that would make the article below even scarier.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped0218krauthammerfeb18,0,7036639.story
but second, look at the larger point. SOME, not all, maybe not even you, but SOME b.o. supporters are jumping on the b.o. bandwagon for the message of hope and change, and remove lobbyists, etc…i think the point she was making is that it’s okay to promise all this, UNLESS you don’t deliver when you enter the white house. and i’m going to bet that if he did become president, the brakes are going to put on real fast to some of these pie-in-the-sky ideas he has been forwarding to gain support.
about the photo. who knows who forwarded it. and shame on you NICOLE B. for suggesting clinton of all people is playing on 9/11 fears! she said early in the campaign that she would not use 9/11 (like dubya) to gain support. SHE COULD HAVE invoked 9/11 last night when russert asked about job loss in new york after her 2000 campaign speech. “well, yeah russert, there was a job loss in new york. remember a little thing that happened in 2001. that didn’t seem to help!” dumb, bloated m-effer.
I don’t have a problem with this man being black my problem is how can he run a country that he can’t stand and salute the flag of this country, he dosn’t believe in what we stand for as a country, he dosn’t believe in God and not to mention we are at war with a muslem country….. I’m not saying that Hillary is the best by any means but we know where her heart is. I don’t trust this guy he looks sneeky. I’m just saying when it comes to it who’s side will he be on!!!
The Clintons never delivered on their promises in the White House. She does not and did not deliver on her promises to NY. She told NY that she was not using our state as a stepping stone to the presidency…clearly a lie! As a life long NY’er Hillary Clinton has done little to nothing for our state except go after Jewish support. Now as a friend of the PLO I guess she had to course correct before running for President.
A friend asked me would I feel bad if Hillary lost. If she had a run a clean campaign, based on issues, not race-baiting and hate mongering maybe. But the way the Clintons have run things shows me just how dirty they can be. Blacks? Through them out the window. Compare Jesse Jackson to Barack Obama. Send out racially inflammatory pictures to the press and deny responsibility. Try to subly connect Barack to Islamic terrorism. I believe Donna Summers sang it best, “Enough is enough is enough!!!”
We, the voters, are smarter than this, Hillary. Woman up and lose gracefully.
kris) you may wish that is was referring to
obama,….not! there’s only one god..and you
should know this, unless you are an athesis?
which would explain alot re: your postion on
this election….hillary seems to go too far
in an attempt to make useless points! get your
into some form of relaxation…if you really
want to help! ok you spend way too much time
blogging.you’re everywhere man…as a matter
you and hillary could use a break..best wishes!
Kris, haven’t you figured it out yet? You’re not entitled to your opinion! Especially if you’re not insulting people! Fall in line & don’t ask questions.
right max1211. but without questions and dissenting opinions, not only would this be boring, but it would allow our leaders to walk all over us (e.g. dubya). are we setting ourselves up for another politician that we give our undying support to?
there are three kinds of obama supporters.
1) those who think he is the best candidate based on his policies his oratory
2) those who vote for him because he’s black
3) and the most dangerous kind, and probably a disproportionately high number of voters, those who have joined the cult of personality.
i have been and am still only suggesting that people THINK about their choice. and when they have made peace with why they have chosen their candidate, they will stop the baseless personal attacks, and rabid rebuttals defending the messiah at every turn. let’s have a logical discussion here. because guess what, if b.o. wins the primary, he is going to have A LOT of HILLARY supporters to convince. no small feat. so, i would suggest some of you obamaniacs start trying to reach across in a positive way, instead of these silly attacks. the same goes if HILLARY gets the nom.
HILLARY 2008
@ Kris
Silly = complaining about being asked a question first in a presidential debate and citing SNL as your source. Silly = Arranging a press conference where you can mock scold Obama in a teacher-student fashion, “Shame on you!” Silly = running your campaign into the ground while getting your minions to declare “the nomination is nearly locked up.” From one educated voter to another, Hillary = Silly.
Obama for America, 2008.
kris and max911 there’s nothing wrong with
asking question! and this is the problem that i
have with you and why feel you that you may need
some intervention…you are forever twisting and
manipulating what you think people are saying instead of taking things at face value? there’s
a name for this, and again i am no professional
but i do have some experience and know what it’s
like not to be able to ask questions in this
world! and i would like to see that change!
kris) why do you insist on asking questions that you already have the answers too?
Hey pissed - no worries, i’m already in therapy.
i really was just tryin 2 just take the edge off, & help a brother or sister out (sorry kris, i don’t know ur gender), cuz i felt like s/he was gettin ganged up on! I know this is a VERY VERY important election, but it is just an election… These people aren’t running 4 Jesus, & Hillary’s not my mama, so i’m cool w staying away from insults. I feel like u’re tryin 2 tell me i’m crazy cuz of how I voted, which seems a little harsh. Am I wrong?
no, you’re not wrong MAX1211.
silly=your supporters not being able to name any of your accomplishments on national television (youtube: hardball/hannity and colmes obama accomplishments)
silly=not mandating health care for everyone.
silly=saying you’ll have tea and biscuits with terrorist leaders of countries
silly=many of the comments i receive here from b.o. supporters
HILLARY 2008
Lol. Silly = expecting your own predictions of inevitability and not the voters to decide the outcome. Silly = voting FOR a war and then complaining about it. (See Obama’s “bus in the ditch” comment last debate). Silly = thinking that as president you don’t have to communicate with nations you might not agree with. (See the word “diplomacy.”) Silly = throwing crazy charges out there hoping one would stick. Plagiarism! (When Obama’s campaign officer gave him the line and it was Hill who plagiarized from Edwards in her last line of the Texas debate with her “We’ll be fine” comment.) You’re untruthful! (When it’s Bill who gets much of Hill’s campaign funds from overseas biz dealings, contrary to what she says.) You’re inexperienced! (Does running health care into the ground while you’re first lady count? Maybe… And will we ever see those records of what she actually did during those eight years? Doubt it.)
As an educated voters, I say no to silly and yes to a new kind of leadership. And voters in the last ten states have agreed. Obama ‘08
is this m.elle or the other name you use to act like you’re two people to keep adding your 4 cents to this page?
silly=pee wee herman
silly=rubber chickens
most equipped to be president=HILLARY
HILLARY 2008
I relish a good debate, just like the next informed voter, and I think it’s good when black people, just like any other race take opposing viewpoints (I have both Hill and Obama supporters in my network). However, Kris, your latest response is akin to Hill’s “Shame on you!” comment: much pomp, no circumstance. (Pee Wee Herman, really?) Anyway, I see you didn’t refute any of my arguments, so my work here is done. It’s been fun
Barack Obama — community advocate, Harvard law graduate, community activist, state senator, Senator, the leader who’ll bring America change.
Sen. Barack Obama for President, 2008
You thought bill was cold (messing with monica in the whitehouse) wait until the photo’s of maggie in bed with hillary come out! the only thing bill does for black people is…pay (real good) the Black prostitutes of Harlem…to keep them from telling the press about how small he really is!!!No wonder he used that cigar!!!!!!
okay M.Elle,
1) she voted for authorization to use force. yes. she did not authorize the president and secy of defense to BUNGLE the war. big difference.
2) you DO NOT sit down at the same table with leaders who are KNOWN to support terrorism and rule totalitarian regimes. especially in your first year in office, especially without preconditions being met. look up the president of iran’s record as a terrorist. that speaks for itself.
3) politics is politics
4) about health care. i think that whole thing was a huge learning EXPERIENCE for HILLARY. i think that’s why she’s best able to tackle the issue. plus she’s been talking about it for years, and together with sen. kennedy, helped pass legislation to provide thousands of children with healthcare.
what else didn’t i address. where her money came from? she loaned it to her campaign. i think if records show that is a lie, THEN we have an issue, but until then, not an issue.
HILLARY 2008
kris, you are saying is that the war SHOULD HAVE been authorized, but just better managed?? also this is george bush’s stance when in comes to iran (kyl-lieberman) and other nations we don’t agree with. do you agree with george bush on this as well?
also the republicans are NOTORIOUS for underhanded deals. if hillary was a republican, would you have wanted her to release her tax records as well?
about the authorization vote:
EVERYONE was lied to by the administration in ‘02. bush & powell were sellin false or negligent intel to anybody who’d listen. so yea, 77 senators voted for the resolution, & hillary was one of em. barack wasn’t there yet, so he gets a pass on the issue. when he was asked abt it in ‘04, he said: “I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don’t know.”
yes, she was duped, as were a lot of other people. but she owned it in the debates & said she wished she could take it back. to me, admitting mistakes is part of good judgment.
right on max. that’s right lilbaby26. i was actually AGAINST the war. BUT, i am not one to accept everything my candidate does or says and defend it tooth and nail. i disagree with her on that decision. but, as max said, they were seeing something different. and again, the senators who voted for this were voting for AUTHORIZATION. not BUNGLE-IZATION. how many of the senators (yours included) would have voted for authorization knowing what they know now?
if that is dubya’s stance on dealing with leaders of countries supporting and harboring terrorists, then i agree with him, yes. the kind of diplomacy b.o. is speaking of weakens america’s standing in the world. and now, with so many countries against us, we cannot afford to not be a superpower. we cannot have that undermined.
HILLARY 2008
What a deplorabe tactic! It was just a matter of time before the campaign trickery turned ugly. Regardless, my vote will be for Obama.
Senator Obama is historically correct to state that former Presidents John Kennedy and Richard Nixon both talked to adversaries.
NO max, everyone was not lied to about the war. other countries that spoke out like france, germany and china knew it was b.s. except for congress?? i knew that it was phony from the get go and i’m not even in congress. barrack spoke out against the war when he knew he was running for office. hillary never read the national intelligence estimate report and instead, didn’t wanna be accused of not supporting the troops if the war was won. and i still think that she had her own agenda when she voted. she only owned up to it when the pressure was on her to do so since she needs to win at this point.
and kris, bush’s stnace on dealing with terrorist is at least one of the reasons why we are so hated around the world. the fact that we canbe arrogant and think that we can invade some country without a plan or the proper knowledge of the people is why we can’t build a working coalition. the fact is that they’re gonna keep attacking us if we don’t get out of the ‘holyland’ and stop supporting israel.
no LILBABY26, the kind of foreign policy i am speaking of is sitting at a table with leaders of countries that are KNOWN the world over to support and harbor terrorists. IRAN is one of them. i DO NOT think we should bomb them OF COURSE. that would be silly. but to glibly say that they are not a threat is ludicrous. we SHOULD NOT stop supporting israel. i mean, its statements like that that show how just uninformed many people are. israel is one of the strongest military presences in that region, and with surrounding nations in peril (pakistan) who ALSO have nuclear weapons, we would be foolish to not support israel.
the president of iran has also repeatedly made anti-semitic remarks, that it would be good to wipe israel off the map, and that there are no gay people in iran. what kind of deranged individual are we dealing with here???? does b.o. really want to sit down at a table in his first year in office and chit-chat with this guy???? that’s irresponsible. but he has said he’d do it. foolish.
HILLARY 2008
that’s not foolish kris and let’s not act like this kind of dipolmacy has never been done before. obama isn’t doing anything different that other leaders haven’t tried. what we are doing right now is very arrogant and sounds like a rap beef. as long as we have a presence over there, then they are gonna continue to hate us. would there ever be democracy over there? it could happen, just not right now. mccain wants to open up bases in iraq and stay there like in germany and japan and korea..ok i can understand keeping bases in korea, but the situation is too complicated for that and in the case of iraq, the only solution would be for it to break up into 3 countries. now iran is pretty tricky too and has to be handled with care, but if we give the impression that it’s our way or the highway especially without a working coalition, then we will continue to be threatened. the people of these countries elect leaders who are not stooges for the U.S.(pakistan, hamas in lebanon) so i still see nothing wrong with at least bringing them to the table before we use some action if all else fails.
Obama being the diplomat that he is says that he believes Hillary if she says she knew nothing about this picture. But we all know someone from the Hillary camp leaked this! The Clintons have been playing rather dirty…with the top Clinton aide circulating emails that Obama is a muslim, to Bill Clinton constantly comparing Obama to Jesse Jackson, to Bill saying that Obama getting the nomination was a “fantasy” to this. Hillary is very angry right now that she is not the Nominee. Experts say she was so sure that she would be the winner by such a landslide after Supper Tuesday I., that she didn’t even forcast pass that day, and did not properly register in Pennsylvannia.
The fact of the matter is, Obama is by far the most competent and capable candidate to run the U.S. Hillary who said early on that the presidency was “her birthright”, can’t believe someone is beating her, and certainly not a black man. Hillary’s anger is so enormous that she can’t even contain her bitterness, or maintain her fake smile, making even embarassingly smart comments like, “does Obama need a pillow” in a formal debate where millions are watching.
Bottom-line, do Americans want a whining, “I’m a victim” woman running this country, who plays dirty to get votes and attempts to discredit her opponent via lies, or a top-notch, action-results oriented man, who is not willing to divert from the real issues in America, by participating in Hillary’s little temper tantrums?
Obama For President
LILBABY26, i maintain that it is FOOLISH. NO ONE said our way of the highway. what i am suggesting is that we work with other countries to maybe impose sanctions, or send an envoy to work on these issues. but for the president of the united states to sit down in the same room with the terrorist leader of a country who has made threats against israel and is thought to be supporting insurgent campaigns in iraq, is FOOLISH. oh, by the way, we have looong been an ally with israel, so it’s not only that they hate us for.
MIKKI ANGELO,
you need to back up some of your claims with hard evidence because you are sound silly right now. bill clinton does not CONSTANTLY compare b.o. to jesse jackson. he did it once.
secondly, he wasn’t referring to b.o. getting the nomination as a fantasy. he said that his flip-flopping on whether he would’ve voted for the iraq war were he in the senate at the time, was a fairy tale. it was not a personal attack.
and lastly, i will switch my vote to b.o. right now if you can provide a link to where HILLARY clinton said that being president was her birthright.
fact check before you start making up $hit
HILLARY 2008
LILBABY26, Continue supporting your “lil baby”, the whining, child-like, “Why do I keep getting the 1st question” Hillary Clinton! Obama does not need your vote, last check, he is winning in popular vote by a landslide, and really Hillary, for the sanctity of the Democratic Party, should concede gracefully. But you and I both know she won’t do this, because Hillary is an obvious Narcissist. Hillary is for Hillary.
Both Hillary and Bill have shown their faces in this poorly driven campaign. And now, once Hillary supporters are “jumping ship” faster than a cheetah runs in the wild!
Is Hillary going to “whine” to foreign leaders, cry foul when they don’t comply to her demands, and throw fits like she has in this campaign? This BULLY - VICTIM, BULLY- VICTIM, thing she has going on? Is this the leadership the U.S. deserves?
THE FACTS:
(1) Hillary Clinton supported this War, which has cost tens of thousands of precious American and Iraqi LIVES! And, has cost this country BILLIONS of dollars!
Now, Hillary wants to shuck it off and say, “Maybe I was wrong”…please forgive me for this little mistake. This is what her “so-called experience” led her to decide. What poor judgment this woman has!
And, she thinks that the American people are too stupid to remember how strongly she supported the War, and even stood behind Pres. Bush during own of his “Shock and Awe” speeches in solidarity, as he boasted about leveling a country that hadn’t done anything to US!
Americans remember that!
(2)HILLARY SUPPORTED NAFTA. Now she is lying, and saying she didn’t. Her husband signed the NAFTA bill into legislation. But in OHIO, were it costs hard-working people to lose over 50,000 jobs, she is singing a different tune…maybe I was wrong and NAFTA needs to be reformed.
TOO LATE HILLARY! TENS OF THOUSANDS OF LIVES LATER AND 50,000 JOBS LOSS LATER…IT IS SIMPLY TOO LATE TO CHANGE HER MIND.
Like Obama said, on the single most important decision of this generation, Hillary was wrong! Or should I say “deadly” wrong!
We don’t need this type of incompetency in the White House. “Read my lips, I did not have sexual relations with that woman”. Read my lips (LILBABY26), we don’t need any more LIARS in the White House!
OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT ‘08
mikki angelo, u might wanna check again, i am not supporting hillary
obama 08
i love to see how the race is going to be. and then i want to know who is going to be the next president.
i love to see how the race is going to be. and then i want to know who is going to be the next president.
thank
foday
i am really astonish to see obama still contesting with clinton because i was not really hope that he will further his campain on to this time.
Also i want to thank clinton and obama to entertain the young voters because they make the young voters fill proud of this election.
thank
morlai.
lilbaby — when you’re right, you’re right, i’ll concede the point. there’s really no way to argue that voting to authorize the war was a good thing, so i’m not gonna try.
also, i agree, our blind unilateral support of israel is a big problem in our foreign policy. realistically, i don’t see that changing regardless of the next president. & the truth is they’re our only stable ally in the powder-keg & they’re our favorite proxy when we do something shady & need political cover. i agree w/ kris tho that there’s just no good to come from “negotiating” w/ groups like hamas.
i guess i’m being hypocritical on the war vote issue. i’ll own it. politics is bullsh*t.
but are we to agree with EVERYTHING that a candidate has done or stands for? NO. there are things (or should be anyway) that we disagree with. if you agree with every one of b.o.’s policies and every vote he’s cast, and every personal decision he’s made, then i question your judgment. and i would say that the cult of personality has you F-ed up.
LILBABY26, ignore MIKKI. it’s clear that they just say anything that comes to mind. MIKKI, i noticed that you didn’t address my questions!
we could go around all day on the iraq thing. it takes courage to make a stand for something. now, you could end up being wrong, but you took a stand. and if you didn’t take a stand because you were still fixing potholes in chicago, then you won’t be criticized. i have said as well that i disagree with clinton’s vote on that. enough said.
NAFTA? who knows what b.o. was doing at this time? did he cover that in his book? look, it is widely known that HILLARY had doubts about nafta and even expressed these doubts behind the scenes. but she was not in any kind of formal position to say yea or nay on nafta, so…and if you’re going to argue that her time as first lady doesn’t count for the good things that came of the clinton white house, then SHUT THE HELL up about the not-so-good things that happened.
HILLARY 2008
kris, it’s ashamed that u haven’t done your homework on any of the candidaes as u should understand y no one wants to vote 4 your girl. i could go on about the scandals and the quest for power and how she really doesn’t have that much experience as she is claiming, but you’d rather believe that bit about the media being harsh on hillary and that obama is just an empty suit. you’d rather look to the past and bring back how we felt in the 90’s-peace and prosperity. i’ll leave you alone kris because this argument is really not worth it because you know that i am right:) and have heard these sentiments from many people but just don’t seem to get why we would vote for an inexperienced cult-like figure.
You “read my lips” Mikki, bill did not have sex with that woman!”THE cigar did”! As dizzy said, it’s time to paint the white house, for the civilized world’s sake!!!
lilbaby — can you weigh in on something for me? (seriously, i’m not just being argumentative. ) so from what i’ve been reading, obama agrees in writing to public federal financing for the general when he’s behind in polls & cash, & now that he’s raising more money than any1 is backing outta that promise?
well all know campaign promises are a best-case scenario, but…
for a guy who’s tryin to sell me faith in govt, ethics & of course “change”, i’m not real inspired by this move. it looks to me like an ideal that didn’t even make it through the primary, & for no other reason than he’s rakin it in.
am i missing something??
it’s just so pathetic that people are STILL talking about lewinsky and all the dumb $hit that the clintons did. I KNOW, i lived it. they did some dumb things. BUT, it’s not worth trying to defend them because people on this site have their blinders on. and their set to b.o. they REFUSE to say the clintons did ANYTHING good while in the white house. NOTHING? REALLY?
the “clinton scandals” are TIRED. just tired. it’s funny how all these b.o. cult members constantly look to the past when their candidate is talking about the future. if you’re going to talk about the clintons, let’s talk about b.o.’s “scandals”. i’m sure we could scrutinize everything he’s ever done, but why? what does it accomplish?
make a list of all the positive things bill clinton did (and anything hillary did) from 92-2000 and i MAY reconsider not campaigning AGAINST b.o. in the fall. let’s see if anyone will do it.
HILLARY 2008
Kris, let me ask you this. Why are you so against Obama? Really. Not trying to convince you, yet you called Obamas supporters a cult? Its getting to the point of absurd. Its not even about supporting your candidate at this point. You not even making sense, and you come off incredibly prejudicial.
For your information Portia! “maggie worked in the clinton white house undercover….well…really she worked under the desk in the oval officer holding bill’s cigar!!!!
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