Black Enough?
Posted December 9, 2007 
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Do some Blacks still feel the need to pass for White? Should bi-racial people be considered a separate race? Those are just some of the provocative questions raised on this week’s Meet the Faith hosted by Dr. Ian Smith
Smith’s guest included CNN’s Soledad O’Brien, Elizabeth Atkins, who is bi-racial and author of “Dark Secret,” Bintell Powell, author of the book “Betrayed” and Larry Wilmore, creator of the Bernie Mac Show and Senior Correspondent on “The Daily Show.” What do you think? Who is Black and who is not? Does it matter?
Hi, my name is william and i was fliping through the chaqnnelks and came acroos your show and started to think about what you guys were saying. i am white my aunt is white, but my uncle is (as you say) a “dark skined” black as well as my cousin. i love them to death and one thing i have learned from them is that it doesn’t matter the color of anyones skin. everyone needs to get over the color of other peoples skin. being black only defines a small portion of who you are, what you do with your life and how you live will determine how people see you and remember you. when you pass on people will remember what you did and not that you were just black. i feel that if people will stop acting like your geust Powell, and start making educaction important and start helping the younger generations to get out of the slums and go to school. don’t say that you can’t afford it cause there are scholarships, grant and loans out there for everyone. my message is to look at people for what they have done and not the color of there skin. Also to push the younger generation to go to school and get an education. there are a million oppertunities out there for anyone, no matter who they are to take them.
Every year I attend a diversity conference for students in independent schools (private schools, prep schools). These schools are elite and still mostly white. During the conference we have a chance to split up groups made up of people of the same race BASED ON HOW PEOPLE IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. When the African-American students form their group you literally see people who are African-American who come in all shapes, sizes, and complexions. While there is the inclination to maybe judge someone to be less black or more black, we remember and we challenge ourselves to respect their IDENTITY, and their DECISION TO IDENITFY AS AFRICAN-AMERICAN. We must remember to call people what they want to be called. It’s the right thing to do, because it means we respect people’s humanity.
I can’t believe that there are rude people like Bintell still spreading his hateful blackness around like his opinion counts. It is rediculous he should live in Canada where we think that black white yellow red are all just people. You Americans just keep keepen on with the black crap come on get over it. We all bleed red or is his blood black too.
I love Meet The Faith. No matter the topic you always have excellent African Americans that represent different perspectives and experiences. I really appreciate Dr Ian’s thought provoking topics. I just want to say “Thank you” for this show.
I am appalled!!! I cannot beleive this is an issue. I am a very,very light skinned black american,not mixed…. but most people don’t know I am black or think I am of a different persuasion. You really need to call on those of us who are 100 percent black but do not look like it and see what perils we have gone through!! If you produce such a show….please call on me to represent!
HI my name is Myra and I come from a long list of multiracial families. It’s people like Mr. Powell that really get under my skin. People like him continue to keep us seperate within our own race. Within my family alone my mother had seven children four which are light skin and two that are brown and one that is very dark and we all came from the same woman. We are brothers and sisters reguardless of the color of our skin. My grandparents as slaves were of mixed race so there is long list of different complexions within our family. I happen to be the brown skin one and love it. I also love my light skin brothers and sisters. Get over it america we are as one, we have the best of both worlds how many people can say that also we will always have a rainbow of colors in the black community and it is beauitful.
If BET can show hour long video shows, shouldn’t Meet The Faith be at least an hour long show too?? I’m just sayin’…
I think Bintell had his heart broken by a light-skinned chick and has since been an angry black man..lol, He clearly has a color complex!
Seriously though it’s hard enough being black out here trying to make moves and blaze trails and to have black people that still want to be caught up in the whole light-skinned/dark-skinned thing is sad.
I saw the show today entitled “Black Enough”. And as I watched I realized in part why black people remain in a sense in bondage. We continually blame others and those like Mr. Bintell perpetuate negative behavior offering no real solutions to our internal problems. Foolishly Mr. Bintell contradicted himself by his comments by talking negatively about a show called “PJ’s” and the very foundation of BET (which he was on and said nothing) puts blacks down, portrays women in a negative light. Not only that but for about 20 hours a day I can watch videos that will show me how to drink, smoke, dance, drive luxury cars, say the N-word,(it’s bleeped out in video), sell drugs, feed my desire for more money. My point is, there will come a time when each of us will have to stand up and take responsibility for our own actions.
After viewing your interesting segment today on Black enough, I have a few comments. First, if you have a white mother, why are you not classified as white and embrace your mother’s heritage. Second, white masters were having babies by black female slaves from day one. Therefore being biracial is not new to our community. Black men today, make deliberate choice to mate with white women primarily because they do no like what they see in the mirror. Being raised by a proud black father and grandfather, I love who I am. At the age of eight, I taught my son about his rich black history. Today at the age of twenty seven, he thinks there is nothing more beautiful than a black woman. We all have choices—think before you commit.
I really enjoyed the show today. The interview with Ms. O’Brien was great. Her friendly personality, grace, perserverence,and confidence makes her someone to be admired! It was refreshing to see this sister and hear her story and opiinions.
I have been in situations where the lighter skinned black woman was chosen for a job over me the brown complected woman. We had the same background but in the corporate world the lighter skinned african americans are treated better than the brown or dark complected one. It is a realization that is difficult to swallow. I became a bit jealous because she was able to play the card she was dealt. It made me open my eyes to the way we are treated by Americans period. And as the brother mentioned on the show; the muts are treated much better by our own race. I consider myself an attractive brown skinned sista. But we have men who will follow what they believe is in the mixed breeds because of their complexions and hair textures. Deny it if you must, I believe we will be plagued with this unfortunate attitude for decades to come if a change doesn’t come soon. As for a solution, yes, treat each as you would like to be treated. In the real world, its not going to happen. Peace to all.
I like what Lamont said about the hr. long music videos but Meet the Faith only gets half hr. but I think we have to remember who runs BET’s corporate offices… I am a medium brown black women in my 20’s who works in the entertainment industry. I feel torn in the sense if we keep bring attention to these topics it only adds fuel to keep the hate burning stronger. But in the same token there are issues we all face, light and dark, that are very real. I think if we all were able to acknowledge each others experiences as real, with out focusing on “he’s wrong, she’ wrong” then we can START to move on. Working in the entertainment industry, I see everyday they do look at skin tone and over the years it has effected, consciously or sub-consciously, how we see ourselves as Blacks in society. All the guests on the show had valid points.
I like Meet the Faith and I think it should be an hour long too. I was offended by Mr. Bintell’s comments. I am light-skinned and I was teased all through middle and high school because of it. Even now in college other black girls judge me unfairly or say mean things behind my back. I have a very diverse ancestry on my mother’s side. We dont all look the same.I just dont understand with all of the racism in the world, there is still a divide within our own group.
First off, I really enjoyed the show to today. It was thought provoking and interesting.
It is very hard to deal with what Mr. Bintell said on the show because I feel most people of color just want to move past using skin to as a divisor.
Although I don’t fully agree with most of what he said I am smart enough to know that there is a ring of truth to treatment based on the hue of black that a person may be.
As a people we have to really acknowledge the problem of skin complexion, openly speak on it and only then will we be able to work on a solution that will work for all of the descendants of Africans that live in the Americas.
What we have to also realize that it is not only African Americans that deal with the divisive issue of color but this issue also plagues anyone from Afro-Peruvian to the Aborigines of Australia.
Once we get past this issue maybe we can deal with getting people all shades and sizes into positions that can positively affect the youth so they won’t have to deal with these issues when they grow up.
I absolutely enjoy “Meet the Faith” because it always encourages people to think and create dialogue.
Many Blessings
Before I go into my main point, I will say that I wish the panel was larger, and that included a dark-skin woman. Bintell Powell was very arrogant and not respectful of the opinions of his panelists, then went on to completely contradict his argument by saying he prefers light skin women, while saying his panelist was not a “REAL BLACK WOMAN” because she was light skin? I feel that the perspective of a dark skin woman should have been solicited, due to the fact that if there is any one person who is represented the least in the media, especially as a representation of beauty, it is a dark skin woman. In addition, there are women who look like Elizabeth Atkins, and both parents are Black, so what would he have to say in response to them? I love Meet the Faith, but they tend to always have one speaker who does not articulate well, and that is usually the person who gets more words in, leaving an ill representation of who they intended on reflecting. Bintell adds to the stereotype that dark skin people are angry and feel persecuted….but I will proceed with my main point.
Black is Black. It is difficult enough being black in a society in which we are not meant to have a level playing field with the “majority”; the idea that Bintell was implying to divide us up even more is absurd and ridiculous, and not what our ancestors fought for. We can not subject ourselves to societal definitions of who we are or how we should look, that has been the issue with our community from the start. The History of the American negro makes us a diverse group of people of all shades, as can be exhibited within one household, so to segregate within ourselves not only weakens the black family, but it gives more power to those who play on the insecurities we have within. If I am brown skin, my brother is fair skin, and my other brother is dark skin with grey eyes, that doesnt make any of us less or more black, and it doesnt make us a part of a different race from one another. I don’t deny that within OUR very own community and Society as a whole, there are “preferences” to lighter skin, or people with more European features, but that comes as a result of the history of our country. In colonial times, the Colonists would tell the Slaves that everything about their blackness is ugly, dark skin, big butts, big lips, kinky hair, etc., meanwhile they lusted for the them, and raped them; all as a result of their insecurities and their mission to manipulate any piece of the slaves proud mentality, which in turn would keep them superior. To an extent, they were successful, because as a community we still “support” this mentality by self-loathing the more Afrocentric qualities of ourselves, especially when looking at the black woman. However, the irony lies in the fact that Butt Implants and Lip injections are a hot commodity for plastic surgery, and tanning salons are making billions of dollars year round, subtle or maybe blatant proof that what we embody naturally is beautiful and in high demand, if only we could empower ourselves to believe it and own it. The Willie Lynch Speech/letters are an example of what was inflicted upon the american negro in the early colonial times transcending through the years. Their mission was to handicap the black community mentally to sustain their level of superiority, atleast within our minds, by making us turn against each other because of appearance and various aspects of our blackness. Now it our choice as to how long we will promote this way of thinking within our community, and that takes humility; being truthful enough to acknowledge how you our your family has effected and contributed to this mentality, and challenging yourself to be a role model against this absurd and destructive mentality. Someone can call you ugly or undesirable all day long, but the minute you own your beauty and everyone does the same, you weaken the naysayer and reveal the coward underneath the superior facade.
In conclusion, there are no levels of blackness, and none should be created. We are a beautiful people who represent strengh, struggle, and pride, and should embrace that. While there are many complex issues within that we need to address and improve on, including this one, acknowledging that we are one and supporting each other and our various physical characterisitcs is essential for progression. We are one, and not to be cheesy, but “United we stand, Divided we fa”.” It’s so true.
I agree with Bunnie on the issue that you need to talk to blacks who are all black but very, very lighted skinned and get our perception. Yes, Bunnie, it is still an issue, unfortunatly.
I am a black woman with NO white parents, like Bunnie. I go throught the same thing that she has mentioned. If you decide to do a show on that, contact me as well. I would love to be on and have a change to meet others just like me.
Well, “Meet The Faith” I congratulate you on reassuring dark complexion blacks that our struggle to “fit in” to the beautiful people’s club is not a valid issue that needs to be addressed. As a dark complexion African American woman, I can clearly say that the struggle of a dark complexion woman can not compare to any sympathetic case of any mixed lighter complexion woman of african descent. I found it difficult to comiserate with the initial story which you highlighted a light complexion male of african descent and Soledad’s case of not getting a job after college because she was not black enough.
What happens to the young dark complexion girl who watches television and does not see herslf as beautiful because she is told that her facial features are large and her complexion is too dark which she is then teased and told that she is ugly.
I thank my parents graciously for allowing me to having a piece of mind in regards to this topic. I did not know the difference of complexion as a young girl and did not know this issue existed. Why? Because I am American and my mom and dad did not allow me to hang out with other Blacks; both adults and those my age that would refer to my complexion or hair texture as being described as anything other than beautiful. While most of my caribbean friends in highschool spoke freely about this issue and how it hurt them; Although it did not not haunt me, I still wondered if I was as pretty as the lighter complexioned girl who sat in the stands next to me.
Although, it has become fashionable to have a darker complexion today, We can not denounce Bintell Powell’s stance on the issue between dark and light complexion Blacks. Bintell Powell has only announced what most blacks do not want to proclaim; which is the preferential treatment that lighter complexion Blacks receive over dark complexion Blacks. People you can not shoot the messenger(Bintell Powell). Bintell Powell did not say we should divide as a race. He said we are divided as a race. It is a known fact. It is just too bad that “Meet the Faith” chose not to highlight the struggle of the DARK COMPLEXION BLACK.
I would like to say this for the record and I know most of you will not like it. I am an african american with a degree in computer science and gay; I have no sympathy for this issue and this is why. We are sitting up here talking about how we and the white community discriminate against dark skinned blacks, however, we will do the same thing to the black gay community. How can you expect this society to treat us fairly when we do the same thing to another minrity group? People you get what you give out – does anyone think that God will work with this when we are doing the same thing to another group of people? I challenge anyone to think about this, do we deserve to be treated fairly when we don’t even treat our gay brothers and sisters fairly, we descrimate against them, spiritually attempt to destroy there spirit, and even put our own gay childern out when we descover they are gay. I ask you, why should we demand anything from white america – we are truly an abomination as a people. One would expect those descriminated against to be the last to do the same thing to another minority group. Some of our best doctors, Teachers, nurses and so on are gay; they have contributed greatly to our society, as well as, the american society – and we won’t even embrace them and there accomplishments just because they are gay. Until we learn to treat everyone fairly and with respect across the board, I have no interest in black issues – you have to give some respect and fairness before you can demand it from anyone or any part of society. I hope a lot of you homophobic black people think about this when you go apply for a job next time. I am black and a brown skin person and have been treated better by white society than my own, they see me as more than just gay, I am a person with abilities, a heart and I just happen to be black and gay. So when all of you get on here and talk about the white society and how you are treated remember what you have done to your own gay brothers and sister before you even start to complain!
I am shocked that so many people would act as if they don’t understand where Mr. Powell is coming from. As a dark skinned woman, I have seen so many instances of black on black (light on dark) favoritism that it’s not funny. Where I live, if you’re a dark skinned woman, you have to take a clear back seat to the light skinned girls because you know the brothers are choosing them FIRST!!! It’s no secret. Common black people, let’s deal with reality for a change…
Great show, but can the time/day slot be changed. I am at church on Sunday at that time. How about taking one of the video shows(they show the same videos) off and make an educational show 1 hour long. Get with the program BET. The nightly news was 30 min also. It’s sad that you could sum up black Americam in 30 min a day.
Here is reality STACIE!!!!!!!
I WAS THREATENED EVERYDAY FOR ONE YEAR WHEN I WAS THIRTEEN unitl we moved… BECAUSE OF BEING LIGHTSKINNED!! I was told I would be stabbed….have all of my hair cut off…….have my face slashed…and other things that cannot be repeated. I had just lost my mother to a terrible illness and watched my fahter slowly drink his self to death due to deep depression. Being lightskinned did not ease my pain in the least it just added to it my dear friend! Sunshine is right we need to be heard but such small minded people.
C’mon……….Let’s do this. Have a meeting of the minds! Call on us and do another show concerning this matter. Let the very light-skinned african americans that are NOT BIRACIAL have the chance to express themselves and the darker skinned also, ………….you need to finish this controversy it would provide inner healing to both. I do not appreciate the thought that anyone should feel bad about themselves or believe they are better than others!
I am mixed and I am not ashamed of who I am. My mother is white and my father is black, but those are not the only blood lines in my family on my father’s side of the family I am part Cherokee. Being racially mixed does not mean being an abomination of the Earth, it just means you have the best of both worlds.
This is the very reason why we should not refer to ourselves as black. Black is a color and we are connected not so much by our color as we are our shared racial herritage. As an African-American we share the struggles and harshness of White racism. Our culture is the struggle of our ancestors.
Who among us has not a relative “light enough to pass” we all have this in our family tree. It does not matter what we look like, what matters is that we pass on our legacy of strength through adversity to the next generation.
Thank- God these people and many more like them don’t share ths negative views of being brown-skinned. They chose to believe in themselves and use there abilities that God blessed them with and not murmur and complain. The first Top Black model Beverly Johnson…..Diahann Carrol….Naomi Campbell…..Angela Bennett…Oprah Winfrey……….Whoppi Goldberg……. Alfre Woodard……..,Monique, just to name a few! Stop making excuses and move on with your lives no matter what you look like!
I am of Jamaican descent and both my parents are black. My dad side is of mixed heritage, I think indian and some asian??. My parents have 5 children total. Three are light-skinned and two are “darker”. The two youngest are twins, but one is dark and one is lighter. The lighter-twin is always given complements about her looks, because she has lighter-skin and a straighter nose. While the other twin is right there next to here sister and does not recieve a complaint about her looks. The “darker” twin feel as though she not beautiful because no one tells her she is “pretty” or “beautiful”. She also tells me how she notices the light twin recieves more attention from boys. That would be “hollering” at her, while the darker twin is sitting right next the boys trying to talk to her sister and not reieve any attention from them. She thinks she doesn’t not recieve much attention because she is darker. But also says she discriminates against the other black girls at her school, because she is lighter-black has straight nose and beautful hair ( both girls have these attributes) But the darker one feels less beautiful because she is darker and does not receive much attention. There is much disparity between black in the Carribbean nations and how much attention is paid to one’s skin tone can real affect someones personality. If you are going to complement sisters, family, whoever complement them all because they notice one ther are not spoken to.
JUST BE WHO YOU ARE REGARDLESS OF YOUR SKIN TONE. NO RACE IS GREATER THAN THE OTHER. WE ALL HAVE OUR DOWNFALLS AND WE ALL HAVE OUR GREAT ACHIEVEMENTS. IGNORANCE WILL NEVER LEAVE THIS EARTH BUT WE WILL. GOD CREATED US ALL AND HOPEFULLY BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS EARTH WE LEARN TO LOVE ALL BEFORE IT’S TO LATE.
I totally agree with txgurlalways.
“Who is black and does it matter?.” What kind questions is that. It doesn’t matter if your black white or latin. God made you who you is and you can’t help you was born one color or another. Plus whats the big beal for black going with white or the opposite. You have your own opinion of what type of soul mate you want to be with. I really don’t get why it’s a cop out to go for someone outside your race. I just say whatever makes you happy go for it and don’t let people hatin get in the way of love.
i don’t think any black see any reason to pass for white or vice versa. bi-racial people are and can be whatever they see themselves as. i’m sure that some would probably be more of the same of what they’re around..the again so would any other person for that matter. i don’t think it really matters. i just think as time flies we all still keep this seperate race thing going on and its like picking players to play ball at the park. so much of, if your not one of us then you’re one of them going on. i think we split people in the middle. seems like it doesn’t matter how saved or educated you are about something you’ll still put a label on someone or something that deals with a race issue. heck, suprised some of us haven’t started our own packaging companies.
MY MOM IS LATIN AND MY DAD IS BLACK. ON MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE IT SAYS BLACK. I TELL PEOPLE THAT I AM BOTH CAUSE I AM. THERE IS NO SHAME TO BE FELT FROM BEING BI-RACIAL… IF I DON’T TELL YOU THEN YOU WOULD JUST ASSUME THAT I WAS BLACK…UNLESS YOU SEEN ME WHEN I HAD LONG HAIR, THEN YOU WOULD THINK THAT I WAS DOMINICAN OR SOMETHING ELSE. SHOULD WE BE A SEPARATE RACE NO MAN WE HAVE ENOUGH SEPARATION ALREADY…NOT BLACK ENOUGH FOR THE BLACK TO BROWN FOR THE WHITE. CONFLICT STARTS WHEN PEOPLE SEPARATE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS… AS A PEOPLE WE ARE STRONGER THEN THAT, AND NOW A DAYS IT IS HARD TO FIND SOMEONT THE DOESN’T HAVE SOME OTHER RACE IN THEIR FAMILY OR BLOOD ANY WAY SO REALLY THERE IS NO NEED.
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