At least we’re talking… or are we? Tim’m’s Introductory Blog
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If there’s one conversation that brings out the most stubborn extremities among black folk, it’s talking about homosexuality. Still, I’m grateful that BET is even discussing the topic. It reflects, perhaps, a realization that keeping silent about gay and lesbian members of our community has not served any of us well. For the inevitable muck that occurs when a thirty minute show attempts to tackle a vast array of topics related to black gays and lesbians, it is certain that BET’s recent episode of “Meet the Faith” has got people talking. Asked to blog for the next week or so about this topic I was both honored and a bit anxious. An unapologetic gay-identified man who remains more optimistic than most about my place in the black community, it may be most upsetting, at least to some, that I’m rather resolved about my place in the black community. An educator, scholar, hip hop artist, coach, athlete, and author, I know that the black community’s uplift and progress won’t happen without warriors like me on the frontlines. Given some of the initial blog comments I will likely disappoint those of you who want to have biblical debate. I’m more interested in how people are treated. I’ll leave the biblical banter to folks like my father, a minister, who, after quite a (continuing) journey, manages to love and support his gay son, despite the overwhelming consensus that he might be a “false prophet”. If false prophesying is operating in kindness and love, unlike many of the comments I’ve thus far read, then maybe black folk need more of them. I believed I might be a Christian, but many of the comments thus far have me wondering if I even want to be associated with such intolerance and hatefulness. Scripture isn’t a justification for hateful behavior.
My Christian grandmother understood this. The first person to understand and accept my sexuality, she knew, as well as anyone, that to deny the reality of my orientation was to deny me altogether. She also gave me another gift, the permission to be truthful with her. After her passing I grew pretty depressed for not having others I believed I could speak with honestly about my feelings. The problem is that we begin so many of these conversations by letting “political discourse” overshadow the core of who we are as individuals. We prioritize agendas over very critical questions about who we are, our experiences, our desire to belong and flourish as individuals and as community. My grandmother had a deep longing to know her grandchildren before her passing. I wonder how many black people out there continue to live (and die) not truly knowing the gay and lesbian members of their families. So many gay and lesbian black people die with curious obituaries: unmarried, the catch all “cancer”, and with utter denial about how they have truly lived their lives: no mention of partner, friends, etc… It is this shameful disease– silence– that BET has challenged on “Meet the Faith”; even if it exposes us as one very divided black nation.
It might be an unpopular view that I personally believe that the onus is on black gays and lesbians to become more visible. It isn’t without risk. But we have used the traumatic echo of dehumanization as an excuse to continue hiding (from ourselves and our families). If all black gays and lesbians (yes, in the church) came out tomorrow, this conversation would end. And while that’s unlikely, I hope that a few brave souls find courage and conviction to begin a dialogue, not with stubborn political allegiance to biblical interpretations or stereotypes, but truth about how we desire, choose to love, decide to live. I was at Toronto Pride in Canada yesterday after a set of hip hop performances and encountered a mother with her adult son (likely my age, 35). His mother was not some excited Trinidadian PFLAG (Parents & Friends of Lesbians and Gays) mom with rainbow in tote. She seemed a thoughtful mother who had simply accepted what her son had probably struggled to accept for much of his life. Her love for her son was more powerful than political agendas or religious dogma. The most special moment during my visit there was a simple “thank you” to her, for being an example that people can respond differently than seems to be the norm. I am fortunate enough to have a mother like this also. She is the source of my courage to live in the full truth of how God speaks to and through me, not always understanding, but most certainly always choosing to love.
I missed this episode and would love to see it. Problem is I live on the west coast – different time zone .
Can’t they repeat thought provoking shows like this.
This show seems to be set up to critize the Church. The Bible has never wavier on homosexuality being a sin. If you disagree why not just say that instead of telling people they have to change the way they believe? The Church was blamed for the death of aids victims and nothing was said about all the churchs that are helping and praying for aids victims. Why should a show called “Meet The Faith” Be so dogmatic to people of Faith? I know Dr. Smith is succesful but what connection dose he have to faith? BET there are several real Christians who have fought for the advancement in the black community from Pastors to Grandmas, who haved helped troubled youth feed the hungry; why can’t these people get some credit for the faith they have lived?
I just want to say that the church shouldn’t be critized for speaking the truth. It doesn’t give the church the right to hate anyone. If that is what is going on, then these people are not of God. God loves the person, not the sin. That is for any sin. Homosexuality is a sin, that is the bottomline. There is no sugar-coating it. The bible speaks of that clearly. I can’t imagine how a homosexual feels, I know it is hard, but nothing isn’t to hard for God. Try him and you will see. No one should be outcasted or left to feel unworthy because of who they are, again if that is the case, those people have a problem. Don’t type cast all church folk, we get enough of that as black people. I go to a church who’s foundation is LOVE, we are not to judge, only God can do that. So Sir, I know you have to do what you gotta do, but I hope and pray that you give God a try, then you will see, God loves you and will never leave you or forsake you. No sin is too hard for God to handle or fix.
I watched Meet The Faith this past Sunday and the topic that was being discussed was one that I find rather interesting. In the beginng of the show it was a little hard trying to hear EACH guest had to say, because Sheryl Lee Ralph and the other guy (excuse me I can’t remember his name,)would not give pastor Bernard Jordan a chance to speak they kept talking over him and I thought that was so rude. However, I did appreciate the fact that the topic of homosexuality was being discussed because it is something that needs to be brought out and not swept under he rug. While I am on the topic I have something that I would like to address to the producers at BET. I really think that the movie Lock Down should not be aired anymore, that movie is disturbing as it is depressing. I will go on to say that I can’t believe that BET would even air a movie that shows a black man getting raped in prison. It’s bad enough there are many of our black men who are on the down low, why would we want to see how a man’s manhood could just be taken away from him once he steps foot in a prison cell? I hear that the movie is just showing what really goes on in prison, but i say even if that is the case, a movie like that shouldnot be aired on a Family Channel not everyone can stomach the contents of it.
Personnally, I feel that Sheryl and Keith were right.One thing I don’t like about black churchs are the sterotypes that they put on people in general. A lot of churches that I have been to preach against homosexuality, but soome of the leaders in the church are living the life themselves. For example, this one black church I used to go to the pastor was a homosexual and he always preached against it,, but he was living a lie and some of his choir members were gay as well. How can a person who is tring to live right go and talk to that person when they are struggleing with the same thing they are going through.. Think about it !!!
I just find it all so hypocritical on the part of so called “CHRISTIANS” who hide behind the Bible and use it errantly to support their own HOMOPHOBIA.
I hate that LOVE THE SIN, HATE THE SINNER crap…..because that is something to be applied across the board.
It’s easy to gang up on the homosexuals because it distracts people from looking at the sins they commit. If we all rally behind this anti-homosexual campaign then they won’t notice that I smoke, do drugs, am an alcoholic, that I beat up my spouse, cheated on my spouse, stole from God because I didn’t tithe. Sooooooo easy to get behind a sin that one has not committed…..soooooo easy.
This is in response to the brother who made this comment to the christian comments on being gay and in the church, he says, ” I believed I might be a Christian, but many of the comments thus far have me wondering if I even want to be associated with such intolerance and hatefulness.” Dear one, it is not the belief in people that should concern you but that you believe that God loves you, for in you is the image of him that he wants a relationship with. Prov. 3: 5,6 Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not to your own understandings. But in all your ways acknowledge him and he will direct your path. Not man, for we as I have said are born into sin, and have a sinful nature. For the image or the true spirit in you, I speak, love don’t hate. Don’t let the bitterness of the world be in you. The song says, “I’ll pray for you, you pray for me, I love you, I need you to survive…etc. I wont harm you with words from my mouth, I love you, I need you to survvive.. God bless and keep you is my prayer.
I am a heterosexual Christian woman. I used to be one of those people who bought into the whole “HMOSEXUALS ARE GOING TO HELL” crowd. My views have since changed because of a horrific episode I witnessed in the church I used to attend.
It was a regular Sunday morning service, and the pastor was about to get up to speak. then he did something that was so out of character of what I had seen of him. Before he even began preaching he peered out into the congregation and singled out this one man.
Now this brother had just joined church the prior Sunday. Yes he did stand out in the way he dressed but he did nothing to draw attention to himself aside from that. the pastor called him forward from his seat in the congregation. Then, he told all the adults there to cover the ears and eyes of the children in the congregation becasue he was about to cast out a spirit and didn’t want it to jump on any of the children there. The atmosphere suddenly turned really scary.
The pastor came out of the pulpit and stood in front of the man and proceeded to lay hands on the man’s forehead until he fell to the ground. Every time the man would get up, the pastor would touch him until he fell back down while calling out the spirit of homosexuality. After a few times the man just stayed down.
Then he said that there are others that need to come forward who been dealing with the same thing…and that if they didn’t come forward he was gonna come to their seats and touch them too. Pretty much calling out all the people he suspected of being homosexuals. After a few minutes a woman came forward. But he still wasn’t satisfied. He said they had one last chance in a threatening tone. When no one else came forward he went out into the congregation and laid hands on three men in the church. Then whe he got back in the pulpit, he laid hands on one of his own ministers.
I was MORTIFIED to say the least….and the looks on people’s faces told me I was not the only one. What would possess the pastor to engage in such antics? I’m surprised he was not sued for “outing” members of his congregation like that. And whether or not these people were actually gay…no one really knows….no even him probably.
The most disheartening thing was that the young man of course never returned to church after….and he had only joined the Sunday before. Surely, this is not what God had in man. The pastor will have to be accountable for turning someone away from the church the way he did.
I only remained a few weeks at that church after that incident.I could not get it out of my mind and my heart. I felt the need to leave. No one deserves to be treated like that. That is not what I interpret to be as Christ-like. Where was the love in that?
All I know is that I cannot judge anybody’s lifestyle. I need to make sure that my house is order and that my salvation is secure. God sent Jesus for EVERYBODY…not a select group.
Lets get this straight. First people need to stop taking there bad experiences with one or two so called Christians and say that they are “The Church”. Jesus Christ is “The Church” and we make up the body of “The Church”. Yes being homosexual is a sin and we as Christians should love you and reprove you. How can we say that are Christians if we don’t love man like we love our God. So to say that “The Church” hates homosexuals is fair from the truth. It’s just the border-line Christians that you meet that you are thinking of.
It profoundly grieves me to hear CHRISTIANS being labelled as ‘HOMOPHOBIC’ and ‘HATE MONGERS’ because we defend and desire to protect the very origins of human existence. Like it or not, SEX IS DIVINELY INSPIRED to ULTIMATELY BOND A MAN AND A WOMAN THROUGH THE CONCEPTION AND BIRTH OF CHILDREN. That is the definition of a LIFE AFFIRMING LEGACY. NO OTHER UNION POSSESSES THAT ABILITY, and no variation of expression will change that. So if one does not CHOOSE to honor LIFE, by default the alternative is DEATH.
“There is a way that seems right to a man (i.e. premarital sex, abortion,addiction,etc.), but its end is the way of death.” -PROVERBS 14:12
“For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this age…”
-Ephesians 6:12
“The thief{the Devil} does not come except to steal, kill and destroy. I{Christ} have come that they may have life and have it more abundantly.”
- JOHN 10:10
“I call heaven and earth as witnessess today against you, that I{GOD}have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore CHOOSE LIFE, that you and your descendants may live…”
-Deuteronomy 30:19
Therefore, I humbly suggest that what a number have misinterpreted as our hate and intolerance of them, come to discover that its our passionate plea and ferverent prayer to see them love and live whole.
anybody ever wonder about population control? I don’t think we’re having difficulty multiplying and replenishing the planet. If anything, there seems to be a scarcity of natural resources, burdened by overpopulation. Besides, the parts still work. Many gay and lesbian people have children of their own, biologically. I don’t really have time to comment on everything but had to interject that.
passionate plea, Sister Lauren? Mary J said it best: “Just take me, as I am, or have nothing at all”.
The question is are you happy, I’m not the judge of anyone…came from a family with many things in it…whatever you do is between you and God…one thing I want to say is you said a practicing homosexual…and that is true…you make the choice everyday to practice the lifestyle you live…choices…God said he gave you your own will…and if this is what you choose then so shall it be…just be sure to tell any woman you might be attractive to that you are what you are…and tell all men that a switching from man to woman and woman to man…be honest…and the closet cant hide you because God knows the truth about who you are…tell women the truth…if you flip the script…let the truth be known…stop the deception…OK…and be you…know this God did not do that…meaning make you confuse into thinking you are a woman or a woman thinking she is a man…I said I have a family too…so do not trip…ok…just keeping it real…THANKS…WHOSOEVER
(Whosoever Will) I’m not sure what you saying your thought are going im alot of directions. I don’t think he said anthing about liking women. Futhermore if you are a Christian because it is not apparent to me. If you are than you should know that the Bible clearly states that because man tried to make God as corruptable as we are that he turned them this way. Read Romans 1 21-32 but that was then and now you are correct they have the choice. It is also not live and let live that not love that’s stupidity. How can you be a Christian and say that you love someone and see them doing wrong, and say well let them do them and I’ll do me. The Bible says to go out into the world and preach the gospel to every creature. It also states as much as he love he chasen and rebukes. As mirrors or Christ would should be doing the same but there is only one perfect one. So to the one who wrote the passage I say you do you and I’ll pray for your salvation and that the father helps you to cast that weight that burden that sin to the ground. God bless you.
Bottom line is that christians should not be pointing fingers. We have “all sinned and come short of the Glory of God.” And, even our righteousness is a filthy rags! We should NEVER gossip or ridicule anyone else. God is a God of love and forgiveness and THAT should be the main focal point. There is NO DOUBT in my mind that there are lesbians and gay men that are struggling to come out of that lifestyle…We as christians should assist them not make them feel abandoned or ashamed. And most of all, talk to your pastor about developing a ministry specifically designed to assist those wanting to leave the gay and lesbian lifestyle….God can heal, deliver and set anyone free…He did just that for me:)
When I was just ten one of the deacons in my church who was also a Boy Scout trooper leader raped me at summer camp.It took a long time for me to forgive the church and that man. My life was affected greatly and still remains a point of anquish. My ability to tell you now is a part of my healing…..process. Whether that has made me who I am today ….yeah. Stronger and more beautiful.Teach your kids to talk to you.
The sin of the black church is that she doesn’t love her children. Many gays are forced out of churches by ignorance and hate. Many are the gays who profess to be Christians but who never or rarely attend church services because they are not welcome. The church hates them even though Jesus said to love one another as He loves us and that is the second greatest commandment. No the church would ratehr point the finger of condemnation without considering that gays went through many things to become that way and that it is not an easy task to undo. They add hate to what already has been cruel. Many gays are fatherless, many have been sexually abused, yet the church sees them as a great enemy. In this way the church has made herself the enemy of God for destroying the children who are sent to her. It is time that the church repented of her sin and changed her ways or there is truly no hope for many of the social ills in African America.
Get this Jesus Christ is the Church. You’re speaking of the people who claim to be Christians. So please I beg you all stop making Jesus who is the church as corruptable as man that is what got us in trouble in the first place. So your horrible experiences have been with people not the Church because you haven’t been every Church in America. So it’s not the Church its your local Churches.
The question was not whether I was a christian or not…you quoated scripture from Romans 1:21 and 23…God turn them over to a reprobate mind…meaning he allowed them to make their own choice to become reprobate…There is a devine will and a permissive will that God has given to each and everyone of us…God is not going to beat anyone over the head to choose him…you said I was all over the place…well, lets think…he did not say he didnt do women either…so before he goes there… because as you know it is being done…men that lust men lust women also…havent you heard or dont you know…we do not know when he may decide to experiment…maybe he is flip floping I dont know…didnt even know he was the son of a preacher man…who has rebelled against God…so there we just dont know…so I’m informing him to let him know to be honest if he decides to have sex with a woman…OK…vs 22 in Romans said professing themselves to be wise, they became fools…the word of God also says in the next verse…what they do is against nature…God did not make him what he is, he did…they professed to be wise in their own deceit…doing things that are unnatural…the truth will set you free…Also want to say AIDS is killing so many men and women…the only safe sex is no sex…remember what the Bible says…professing themselves to be wise they became fools…when you reject the truth and do it your way anything can happen…as being discussed…this young mans homosexuality…Romans vs 28 says…And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient…There is a price to pay…before I go…something to think about…sex=lust=sex=lust because love aint in none of that…sex and drugs are like an atom bomb…you get what you get…the word is out…anyone can escape the death trap that sex presents…if you indulge remember you made the choice…condoms break—have holes in them…people are devious…will deceive you looking at you…the man has chosen to be a homosexual for whatever reason…we do not know because the truth has not been told…who raped him…who stroked him as a little boy…we do not know the whole story about how he became what he is…remember he said he is a practicing homo…homophobia…I dont think so …womanphobia is what he and any male that sleep with men…and the women are menphobia…remember I have a family too…so dont trip…love everyone of my family members because its a family affair…did not say I like what they do…thats their choice…I love them…
WHOSOEVER WILL
wow. i’m womanphobic. let me go tell my moms, sisters, and all the women i love and who love me. they’ll be so disappointed.
WHAT IVE COME TO UNDERSTAND IS HOW THE ENEMY WORKS WITH THIS ISSUE CONCERNING HOMOSEXUALITY. MOST DESPISE THE HOMOSEXUAL NOT BECAUSE THEY DONT LIKE IT BECAUSE THEY DONT UNDERSTAND. THE BIBLE SAYS THAT WE WRESTLE NOT AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD, BUT THATS WHAT THE WORLD BELIEVES. THE ONES WHO FEAR GOD UNDERSTAND THAT ITS NOT ACCEPTABLE, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER SIN, BUT THEY DISPLAY THEIR INWARD HATE WITH SCRIPTURAL PROJECTION. THE ENEMY WAS VERY SMART WHEN HE THOUGHT OF A WAY TO KEEP THIS THING GOING WITH HOMOSEXAL BATTLES. WE SEE OR KNOW A PERSON WHO IS HOMOSEXUAL, AND WE DISCONNECT OURSELVES FROM THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, REALLY WE TURN OUR FACES AWAY FROM THE ISSUE AND PUT MORE EMPHASIS ON THE PERSON. WHICH PUSHES THEM AWAY, AND CREATES A BLOCK THAT KEEPS THEM FROM WANTING TO KNOW TRUTH. NOW THEY WANT YOU TO ACCEPT THEM BECAUSE WE DONT ACCEPT THEM. THEY WANT TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT HOW THIS THING IS OKAY, EVEN WHEN SOME KNOW THAT ITS NOT, ITS JUST A POWER STRUGGLE. BETWEEN TRUTH, AND A LIE. GOD DID NOT CREATE US TO JUST FEEL, AND TO JUST FIND THE PERFECT PERSON FOR US TO SPEND THE REST OF OUR LIVES WITH, WE HAVE A GREATER CALL. THE ENEMY KNOWS THAT WE WERE PUT HERE TO SUPRESS WHO HE IS. THE ENEMY BELIVED THAT ONCE HE WAS THROWN HEAVEN THAT HIS TERRITORY IS HERE ON EARTH, BUT GOD SNATCHED THAT DOMINION AWAY, AND CREATED A BEING THAT COULD BE EVEN GREATER THAN LUCIFER HIMSELF. DO U NOT BELIEVE THAT THE ENEMY IS NOT ANGRY, AFTERALL LUCIFERS PLAN WAS TO BECOME GREATER THAN GOD, HE THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS HIS CHANCE TO DO SO, BUT HE BLEW HIMSELF INTO US, WHICH MAKES US TINY GODS, WITH GREAT POWER. WE DONT KNOW THAT, SO SATAN KNOWS JUST WHAT TO DO TO KEEP YOU FROM KNOWING THAT YOU ARE STRONGER THAN AN INWARD STRUGGLE, LIKE HOMOSEXUALITY. GOD DIDNT CREATE HELL FOR US, HE CREATED HELL FOR SATAN AND HIS ANGELS, IF WE FALL SUBJECT, TO WHO HE IS AND MAGNIFY HIM GREATER THAN THE CREATOR THEN WE ARE DAMNED TO AN UNTAMED HELL. KNOW THAT YOU MUST ASK GOD WHO YOU ARE, TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE ENEMY WANTS TO KEEP THE GOD IN YOU SUPRESSED. THE END RESULT IS EITHER HEAVEN OF HELL NO INBETWEEN. HOMOSEXUALS,LIARS, FORNICATORS, WHICH DESCRIBES THE NATURE OF MAN, WILL NEVER MAKE IT TO HEAVEN, UNLESS WE ALLOW THE GREATER ONE ON THE INSIDE OF US TO MANIFEST. WHICH SUBJECTS ALL SIN.
I will like to comment on the article I read about Tim’m. Firstly, I’m not a lesbian or homosexual but I do support gay people. Being straight does not make you a great person thats just one sin you haven’t commited. People say thats a sin yes it is but they sin every day thats just one they don’t commit. No sin is bigger than another. I had plenty of gay friends throughout highschool and they are more friendlier than straight people. A gay person can be Christian the reason is because no Christian is perfect they all sin everyday and thats what a gay person does, so what’s the difference. They can also be hip-hop gays and norms listen to the same music and sang the same music so whats the diffrence. At last, they both have things in common they are both men, they both have feelings, they both love (maybe differently), they both sin, and many more. People should treat others the way they want to be treated. They have to think what if that was them or a very close family member or friend they wouldn’t want no one to mistreat them.
CURTIS G…I believe that your point is well-said in regard to “the church” and the “local church”. I understand EXACTLY where you are coming from. However, it will not be easy for people who are not as well versed as you are to distinguish the two. As a woman who has been delivered from sexual promiscuity I can tell you that there is a GREAT distrust that develops early on once you have been violated by someone…let alone someone claiming christianity. I received Christ at an early age I was STILL exposed to malestation and other abuses…I know NOW that those events were a plot on my life by Satan but that wasn’t clear to me at the time. I was too young to understand that. So, when you hear folks referencing “the church” they are probably referencing that particular person claiming christianity that hurt them. My advice to ANYONE who attempts to minister to gays and lesbians is to LISTEN without JUDGEMENT. They are NO different from a drug addict, an abuser, adulterer or drug dealer. Attempt to understand their emotions even if you don’t agree and you will find that underneath the mask is a person who needs Christ -just like you and I.
By the way, I do believe it is possible to have salvation and be gay at the same time. I do not believe that God will EVER be pleased with homosexuality but I also believe that there are true christians who struggle in that area. As christians we do not practice sin but EVERY christian (from the pulpit to the door) has a sin that they struggle with. Read the entire 7th chapter of Romans and you will find that even Paul, a great servant of Christ, struggled with sin! And, although we don’t like to admit it…truth is WE ALL SIN EVEN AFTER WE HAVE RECEIVED CHRIST AS LORD AND SAVIOR. I thank God for the BLOOD of Jesus Christ that is forever atoning for YOU and ME.
um, i am gay and i understand your point, but i don’t think my lifestyle puts me in the same category with drug dealers, abusers, or drug addicts. I do not believe i have a problem or that i’m sinning by wanting to have a relationship with someone that i like and who can reciprocally like me the same way. I think a major issue is the abuse that goes in the black community, homosexual or otherwise. It’s wounding us and holding us back as a people. Gay is what i am, i don’t want to change it anymore after i prayed to God and he said i was fine. I’m not hurting anyone or myself. I believe in God, i don’t interpret the Bible the same way yall do. Not everybody agrees on the what the bible means that’s why there’s so many denominations of Christianity. I have sinned in other areas of my life but being homosexual is not one of them. I want to have a monogamus relationship with one person. Move to Boston or something. I’m a respectable citizen i’m not hurting anyone like abusers, drug dealers or adulterers. I’m not hurting myself like addicts do. The difference in the way we think is that i don’t think God would be displeased if i was in a loving relationship. I wish i could get married but i don’t want to live in Massachusetts. I think a gay family could be positive to those around them as the 4 you have listed are not at all.
Tim’m, you need a gay person to stand up for who and what they are, i’m here.
TWEST…you are so special…and you know exactly what I mean when I say womanphobic…if you are against women you must be womanphobic…as in relationships…you prefer men…a choice you made…lets tell the truth…somebody took advantage of you…it felt good…you did not know how to identify…because you were confused…somehow you knew it was not right but you persued the feeling of the thief…meaning the person that robbed you of your manhood… rather than getting help and talking about…what happened to you…got caughtup in the feeling and you became attractive to the same sex…know something…sex is dangerous…its like a drug…maybe I’m wrong…only you know the truth…I’m not God…got no heaven or hell to put you in…you do that well enough yourself…checked this out if God changed me he can change anyone…remember what I told you sex=lust=emptiness=loniness=deceit=what a feeling=lost time in dishonest relationships with no commitment…/sex=lust= aint no love in that…To all of you practicing homosexuals…know this God loves you…yes you…even you…he does not like the sin…all you have to do is REPENT…God forgives you..you got to forgive yourself and turn away from the unclean lifestyle…just as I had to turn away from my life of sin…its so simple and people want to get mad…look into the Bible yourself…ask God…if he does not like me doing sin what makes you think you will be an exception…God is fair…and he loves all of us the same…he is no respector of person…you made your choice but its not the final answer…God has the final say…ask him then wait to hear what he has to say…God will lead you into the truth…if you want to know the truth…
WHOSOEVER WILL
are you projecting? i don’t identify with so much of what you say here about being “robbed of my manhood”, being “caught up in the feeling”, the cycle of “sex=lust=emptiness=loneliness=deceit. i know a lot about dishonest relationships with failed commitment, but that has more to do with bad choices on my part than anything inherent about being gay. And I don’t at all question God’s love for me. I did at one point, but that’s no longer. Oh… God has led me to truth and has the final say… not man.
twest…lets get deep…deep into the deceit of why you are the way you are…I’m going to make this real plain…anger comes when the truth is told…can we talk…with out missing the point…something happened to you…do not know whether it was when you was a baby, little boy…or in your teens…your experimented…was it with a man or a woman…I do not know only you know…tell the truth…look deep into your heart…when you lost your virginity…was it taken???or freely given???you did not inherit…homosexuality…either you watched the wrong rolemodel…which may have been mom or your sisters and mocked them…maybe there was no man around…I dont know…it was a choice you made and no one corrected you about it…nor did anyone talk to you about it…so you had a sexual encounter…was it with man or woman…somebody took your virginity…only you know the secret…remember…I know when I gave mine up…Then Donnie Mckerklin is a liar…he told the truth…the wages of sin is death…God gives us all the opportunity to except him…do not blow your chance…remember he will turn you over to a reprobate mind…you professing to be wise in your own ignorance…I know something and I know that God did not make you a homo…you can believe the lies you tell yourself and others that profess they were born as such…but its still a lie…your were born a man, get it cut off, get something put on you was still born a man…God has the answer…he did not confuse you…confusion comes from the devil…you can change…God made the way for you to escape…but you like pulling on another mans penis…and receiving it man thats unnatural…you been robbed…and you have robbed others…John 10:10 says…the thief cometh not but for to kill, steal and to destroy…Jesus says…I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly…this is not to make you angry…you believe what you do is right, just like so many others…do your dirt and expect others to agree…well we can agree to disagree…if you get angry because I tell you the truth then thats on you…stop talking to those that talk what you want to hear…people will deceive you as long as you let them…but the most damage is done by self…you are with you everywhere you go…when the crowd is going you are still there…let a man examine himself…
Love you….WHOSOEVER WILL
how terribly invested you are, WHOSOEVER WILL, in believing that i’m tormented…virginity taken, no man around, mocking my sisters… Anyone who knows me would find this laughable. Perhaps you know homosexuals who’ve had these and other tragic experiences, but there’s no trauma around how I love, live, and sex, only around how people have responded to it.
i am a man. and being one, own the choice i made to choose whatever was given to me by God
who, but God, creates anything imperfect…
even the devil knows this.
ps: i’m uncertain about the unnaturalness (or not) of “pulling on another man’s penis” and have not yet tried it. an idea, perhaps, though it seems an awkward gesture for anyone wanting pleasure. since you seem to know so much about my orientation, inclination, the point of my initiation, and the specificities of my sex life, perhaps you’d do better to write my life story for me.
you seem to have a lot going on with you… so it might be best to tell your own story of salvation, rather than speculating about mine. i’m all good. i am a good man. i am most certainly a man. and i (with no prompting, magic, or luring) have always felt desire men (much or most of it non-sexual). there is no confusion here. none at all.
God is love, so love you too.
Don’t get me wrong…know this God did not make you anything but a man…your desires came from you and your encounters…nope…I do not know anything about you other than what your share…so many of us have been misguided in life…your story is your story…we are talking about you…all I said is your virginity…how did you loose it…something had to happen in the beginning for you to start practicing homosexuality…thats all Ive said to you something happened in the beginning…we were all born to believe something and most of what we started believing in was a lie…you keep saying you are a man…which you are then walk in you manhood as God ordain you to walk in…you put your story on the web and revealed yourself to a point…dont get mad at me…these are my thoughts and if they are wrong…I stand to be corrected…did anyone take advantage of you???this is the word of God if you have any issues with it then thats between you and him…Proverbs 4:27 turn not to the right hand nor to the left: remove thy foot from evil…TWEST: This is for you to figure out…whose report will you believe…Proverbs6:16 These six things doith the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him…17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 an heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren…you was brought up in church…yet you choose to do it your way…when the word of God states in John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth , and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me…these are not my words they belong to the Lord…what dont you understand…God did not create you to be anything other than a man…not man for man and when I said penis the both of you have that right…did you read the other scripture about being unnatural in Romans 1 and how he will turn you over to a reprobate mind…do you know what that is…your dad is a preacher if you dont understand go to your dad and have a talk without yelling and screeming or getting mad…get the truth…the truth will set you free…Your choice is not God choice for you…we all have something that needs to be changed…you can change in Jesus Name…
Love you
God can change anybody
Bet, I watch the show Meet The Faith and my questions are faith in what? Is Dr. Smith a Christian? Not someone who calls himself one but one whos life produces the fruit of one. The word Christian meens Christ-Like and this lifestyle mimicks the life of Jesus as closely as the ability God has given each person. I also want to comment on when your shows are geared towards anything dealing with the church (the body of Christ). Why does the show pick people who lacks wisdom and understanding in the word of God? Why not someone who is deeply rooted in the word? A couple of shows ago the topic dealt with homosexuality and the brother beside the Pastor stated that he was a Christian and that the Bible doesn’t state anywhere that homosexuality is wrong or bad. It’s people like him who takes what it means to be Christ-Like as a joke and is ignorant of the word of God. The Bible clearly states in Genesis chptr 1 & 2 that God created Adam and Eve, male and female. It also declares that after all that God had created He was still not satisfied because man didn’t have a companion of his own. this is when he created a woman and brought her to the man for marriage. In Gen. chptr 3 this is where God calls them Husband & Wife not Husband & Husband nor Wife & Wife. Another case where God dealt with homosexuality is in Sodom & Gomorrah where there was so much inses & same sex practices going on that God destroyed the whole city. It wasen’t that . 1 Corinthians 6:9 clearly states that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God so why would he approve something that will keep someone from entering into His eternal rest? God’s people does not homomsexuals, we hate the act or sin of homosexuality not the person. There was also a show that discused money pertaining to christian leaders being blessed and mega churches aren’t necessary. One woman on the show said that ” money is the root of all evil”. 1 Timothy declares tha the LOVE of money is the root of all evil, NOT money itself! The world will never agree with the word of God that’s that states we are prosperous, wealthy & rich in all things pertaining to life! The church is constantly under attack when it comes to money but you don’t see or hear people attacking Mr. Trump, Mr. Buffet for having to much money! It’s because the people who attacks Gods’ people are on the worlds system & is ignorant to Gods’ system. The word of God also declares that Money answereth all things and if you don’t think it takes a lot of it to do the things of God, then you just don’t know! Hear’s a thought, if people don’t need more money that they have then why do they further there education, invest in stocks & bonds, CD’s, realistate & strive to become CEO’s of businesses? I’m not completely against the show but some of your views & discussions dealing with the church can’t properly be discused W/O someone rooted in the FAITH OF GOD (that’s how you meet the faith). GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSSION NOR IS HE A LIER, SELAH (think about it)!!!!!!!
I know im late to conversation, but this is an issue that has substance and I thought I would interject…
1st, I am a black homosexual male and a firm believer in God.
2nd, I have been preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ since I was 14yrs old and now Im 21yrs old.
I said that to say this, In this day and age, alot of sins have come to head and Christians have felt that its their “reasonable service” to go and “convert” practicing homosexuals into Saints… I Dissagree… And the biggest question is, Why make these attacks on Homosexuals? Some say, “its doctorine…” CRAP! if thats the case, then those people who eat swine and shellfish should be condemed… The problem is the Church has singled out a sin that LOOKS different from thier own and have choosen to a “prosescutor for Christ” and sentenced them to “certian death” if they do not change thier ways…But my Bible says that there is no sin greater than the other…Is homosexuality frowned upon by God? This is true… But so is Gambling, Smoking, Drinking, Premarital sex, foul language, back bitting, Adultry, Gossiping…and shall I keep going? and these are all issues that you will find in your nieghborhood black church… I have been in church all my life and I know how it works… and yet the same ones that tell you “you need to change your ways”, or “I’m praying for your delieverance…” are same ones who engage in “black church culture” ie; gossip on the parking lot, go to the Ryans or Golden Coral and instead of continuing talking about the word of God or the moring message, go and talk about what Sis. SuchnSuch had on… And that Phone will get you trouble! Catch the irony…Then church folk wonder why membership doesn’t go up and why people leave….it is because the people who say they are striving to be more christ-like are driving people away with negitive energy…everytime you look at somebody wrong, or approach them wrong or are inconsiderate of the feelings that others have… Homosexuals aren’t looking for Salvation from the church, they are looking USUALLY…BELIEVE IT OR NOT, a deeper connection with the creator of ALL mankind…People are spiritually bound because of ndulgances of the flesh and when a person of different sexual preferance comes and joins the chruch, he/she is not looking for acceptance, but a way out…So we have hit a delmia…How can you cast out the spirit of Homosexuality when “no sin is greater than the other?” The church is in a state of emergency… Insetead of christians building a temple to house the the glory of the LORD, we moved in so the Glory had to move out (do your research and look up the orginial plan for the tabernacle)… and because the Glory had no place to go, we are stuck with a building that we call a church. We fill the church with the people who think they are God. instead of being of God, we jsut look like God or have a form there of. there inlies the problem…Modern Christians Look like His, but if you are a true believer, you’ll know the difference between GOD and the Babylon Inquity ie: those people who Talk like God, Walk like God, and may even bless you like God but have denied the power there of. Again…do your reasearch)
But thats niether here nor there because somebody is not going to take hied to what I have said and this will fall on deaf ears because their own refusal to see past my efliction…
Be blessed!
Nate 8 July on July 8, 2007 you are so right…you can’t meet the faith unless you know what, or who your faith is in…and the word of God states…we walk by faith and not by sight…no one can attack the church and anything about it unless they have the faith and knowledge, wisdom and understanding…the heart of God, the faith and God and a true relationship with God…the world will never be able to understand what God is doing…untli they get a relationship with him…you got to get to know him for yourself… and to
M Whyte on July 24/07
you mentioned gossipers…liars…prosititue…whores…sister suchsuch…adultery…etc…it does not matter to God…God loves you…God loves me…the church is full of people that came from all kind of circumstances…God has not denied any…man has…we all must stay focused on the word of God and who he is…God is a just judge…he will never let any of us down…Whom the son sets free is free indeed…God is good…
Matt 6:33 states…but But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you…It’s a measure of faith…which we all have been given…it’s all about have a relationship with the creator himself…
2nd Corinthians 5:17 states…Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
and for all of those you mentioned in the church and even a practicing homosexual…God word has the final say…trust God…have faith in God…
1st Corinthians 10verse13…There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it…14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry…15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say…
This is the word of God for it is written…read the chapter…you know the word…lets talk…
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life…
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free…I came through a lot in church also…but my love is for God…who directs my path…trust God…get your eyes off of people you know what I mean…they need help also…stay focus and none cause you to stumble…because it will be an excuse…God gives no room for excuses…HAVE FAITH IN GOD
In the KJV,Corinthians 6:9, it says effeminate. Effeminate is Greek for malakoi, which literally means soft. In the ancient world, being effeminate including such behavior as bathing frequently, shaving, frequent dancing or laughing, wearing cologne, eating too much or wearing fine undergarments. I am a Christian & a lesbian, and I know with all of my being that God loves me, and accepts me through His son Jesus. All this division and ignorance must stop!
IN RESPONSE TO VELMA ON JULY 24,07 WHO HAS JUDGED YOU…AND YOU MISQUOATED THE SCRIPTURES…THE TRUTH WILL MAKE YOU FREE…ALL THAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN BY ME IS IN THE BIBLE…READ IT…DO NOT MISQUOATE IT…THE SCRIPTURE YOU QUOATED I WILL RECORD THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURE SO THAT NONE WILL BE MISLEAD…IN THE KINGS JAMES VERSON
1ST CORINTHIANS 6 AND VERSE 9 STATES…
KNOW YE NOT THAT THE UNRIGHTEOUS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD? BE NOT DECEIVED; NEITHER FORNICATORS, NOR IDOLATORS, NOR ADULTERERS, NOR EFFERNINATE, NOR ABUSERS OF THESELVES WITH MANKIND…VERSE 10 NOR THIEVES, NOR COVERTOUS, NOR DRUNKARDS, NOR REVILERS, NOR EXTORTIONERS, SHALL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD…
YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE BY CHOICE…YOU KNOW ITS GOOD FOR YOU THEN GO ON…BE YOU…KNOW THE TRUTH OF WHAT GOD SAYS…AND IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT GO TO GOD…NOT MY WORDS BUT GOD WORDS…IT IS WRITTEN…ROMANS CHAPTER 1 VERSE24…WHEREFORE GOD ALSO GAVE THEM UP TO UNCLEANNESS THROUGH THE LUSTS OF THEIR OWN HEARTS, TO DISHONOUR THEIR OWN BODIES BETWEEN THEMSELVES: VERSE 25…WHO CHANGED THE TRUTH OF GOD INTO A LIE, …VERSE 26 FOR THIS CAUSE GOD GAVE THEM UP UNTO VILE AFFECTIONS: FOR EVEN THEIR WOMEN DID CHANGE THE NATURAL USE INTO THAT WHICH IS AGAINST NATURE: AND LIKEWISE ALSO THE MEN, LEAVING THE NATURAL USE OF THE WOMAN, BURNED IN THEIR LUST ONE TOWARD ANOTHER; MEN WITH MEN WORKING THAT WHICH IS UNSEEMLY, AND RECEIVING IN THEMSELVES THAT RECOMPENCE OF THEIR ERROR WHICH WAS MEET…VERSE 28 AND EVEN AS THEY DID NOT LIKE TO RETAIN GOD IN THEIR KNOWLEDGE, GOD GAVE THEM OVER TO A REPROBATE MIND, TO DO THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE NOT CONVEIENT; ITS IN THE BIBLE…READ IT…AND LETS TALK…YOU JUDGE YOUR OWNSELF…IF YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT YOU DO THEN WHAT DO YOU CARE ABOUT WHAT ANYBODY ELSE SAYS…THEY HAVE NO HEAVEN OR HELL TO PUT YOU IN…BUT GOD…READ THE WORD AND MEDITATE ON IT ASK GOD FOR UNDERSTAND BECAUSE GOD WILL NOT LIE TO YOU BUT MAN WILL…THAT VERSE YOU QUOATED YOU TOOK WHAT YOU WANTED TO MAKE IT SAY WHAT YOU WANTED IT TO SAY…TELL THE TRUTH…OK
REMEMBER I LOVE YOU AND GOD DOES TOOOOO…OH BEFORE I GO…THE WORD OF GOD IS TRUE…IT IS NOT TO BE COMPROMISED… READ CHAPTER 1 OF ROMANS…WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE TELL PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS AND LESBIANS ABOUT WHAT HE EXPECTS…ITS FOR US ALL…LIKE IT OR NOT…GOD SAID IT AND THATS FINAL…REPENT…GOD HAS JUDGED THE ACT AND CALLS IT UNATURAL…CALLING ALL MAN TO MAN AND WOMAN TO WOMAN…READ ROMANS CHAPTER 1 ALL OF IT…THEN READ WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAYS…COMPARE…WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING TAKES THE BACK SEAT TO THE TRUE WORD OF GOD…COME OUT OF HIDING ALL OF YOU…GOD GOT SOMETHING TO TELL ALL OF US…LIKE IT OR NOT…IT IS WHAT IT IS…CANT ADD NOTHING TO IT AND CANT TAKE NOTHING AWAY FROM THE WORD OF GOD…GOD LOVES ME THATS WHY HE TELLS ME THE TRUTH…
I am a bit dissapointed that the black church and the black preacher/pastor is being made the villain during this particular show of Meet The Faith. I feel neither Ms. Ralph or Mr. Boykin gave Bishop Jordan a fair opportunity to comment and/or respond. I am a firm beleiver that God is love, and that he loves the sinner even though he hates sin. He is also full of grace and mercy, ..God commended his love…while we were yet sinners…he sent his son.. Romans 5:8. We must however, be realist to the fact that in the Christian Faith which is directed by the Christian Bible, homosexual(sexual intercourse) is classified as sin because it is sex outside the confines of marriage(which is idenitified in the Christian Bible as a union between a man and a woman)just as heterosexual fornication is defined as sin. While I don’t beleive being homosexual prohibits one from being saved anymore than being an heterosexual adulterer, liar, murderer etc… because through God’s grace he can forgive a sincere beleiver who repents of their sin, I do know that one must be realistic about the definitions within and the tenets of our Christian Faith and either accept it or reject it. There are many of us who preach a message of love, mercy and forgiveness despite those who ignorantly preach a message of hate.
God told each and everyone of us what to do…in
Matthew 6:verse 33…But seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you….verse 34…Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself, Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof
Matthew 12: verses 28-30 read it…Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest…Take my joke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart; and ye shall find rest unto your souls…for my joke is easy, and my burder is light…
Everything you need to know is in the Bible…Romans 10 verse 9 states That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved…Listen the word goes for you me and every reader that reads or dont read what has been stated believe it or not…God requires each of us to do something because he said in Jeremiah 29 verse 11…For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you and expected end…God knows best…thats for Heterosexuals…homosexuals…Fonicators…liers….sex addicts…drug addicts…any kind of addict…pervert…whores…prostitutes…God covers us all…he said Come unto to me…for it is written…and thats what he meant…you can call people haters of practicing homosexuals…..not good enough…God said come unto me…you cant go over it…under it…around it…you got to be obeident to God…and just do it…I love you all and God loves you…yes even you…and even me…Be encouraged…read think…meditate on whats been said and do what God said to do…he got something great for you…before you throw the good away…think of all the blanks you received and it dissappointed you…trust God…Have Faith in God…do what he says…Try God…your tried everything else and it has almost destroyed you…Seek The Lord while he may be found…it is written
Homosexuality is a moral dilemma. As a Muslim woman I am often asked about the Quran’s stance on this issue. I tell everyone the same thing, all scripture is the same, Allah says it is a sin. It is not for me or anyone else to “make it right”. Yes I do believe it is a choice (there is no scientific proof that anyone is born homosexual), and while I don’t believe in witch hunts or bashing I also don’t believe in trying to change scripture to “fit your life” or anyone else’s. God made the world and everything in it so it only makes sense to me that we fit ourselves into God’s world and not the other way around. There are people who fornicate, commit adultery and create graven images of the divine all of which are grave sins according to scripture, just because man does these things does not mean we should sanction this behavior. And the Quran clearly states that to make ok that which God says is not ok is also a great sin. What we have to understand is that there is man’s reality and then there is God’s reality which in fact is the only reality. We may create the environment or world that we want but that does not make it real, and by real I mean what God says in Quran is real and that is that which is everlasting and after all else is gone will return to Him.
There is only one soul the human soul and that soul does not belong to you or I, it belongs to God. This means that all that we have even this earthly body is on loan from God and that on the last day we must return it to Him and explain why we used it in the manner in which we did. God knows what we know not, but today man believes he can do a better job than God and he has become so arrogant that he thinks he can change men into women and women into men with a few slices of the scalpel, some therapy, and perpetual hormone shots. These man-made creations are calling themselves transgender, a term which I find blasphemous for God says in Quran that he created us and shaped us in our mother’s wombs the way that he wants us to be and he made us beautiful. God wanted you to be a woman this is why you were born with a womb, and God wanted you to be a man this is why you were born with a penis it’s as simple as that. To allow someone to perform genital mutilation on you is to be ungrateful to the very God that created you. Some scientist and academicians are calling the “transgender phenomena” a psychological matter that must be solved by scientific/medical means. To these people I ask: if I believed I was a horse would you counsel me on the best way to eat hay and sew a tail on me?
In ancient times we as people of African descent understood that our genitals were not just physical appendages but that they also held a higher spiritual wisdom. They were not insignificant in our lives but rather integral to our very being. But once we became so-called educated we lost this connection to the divine order of ourselves. We can no longer hear God because our ears are so full of man.
Once God says to a thing Be, it Is, what we choose to do as human beings after that does not change this. This is why I don’t debate the homosexual issue unless people try and change the word of God. God has made everything that he has created for a specific purpose and no one has yet explained to me the purpose for two men or two women having sex other than for pure hedonism. Aside from this there is not much to argue about. There is a day of judgment for all of us and none of us are going to paradise except by God’s mercy. And no I don’t believe that everyone who has practiced or practices homosexuality is going to hell; I do however believe that those persons who choose to be defiant towards God will, will earn his wrath.
If you are homosexual and belive that your lifestyle is ok still continue to seek God’s truth, in the end you may be very surprised. In Quran God tells us that wrong doing is that which waivers in your heart although you have support from others.
Lastly the Down low phenomenon is getting tired and I wish they would stop blaming the Black community and Black religious organizations for being too much of a coward to be who you claim you were created to be. How dare you jeopardize other people’s lives and then hide behind the fear of being ostracized as an excuse to get sympathy.
BEFORE THE WORD HOMOPHOBIA EVOLVED…THERE WAS BLACKAPHOBIA…SHOULD THOSE OF US WHO ARE CALLED BLACK…GO INTO HIDDING AND MAKE EXCUSES…WE ARE WHO WE ARE AND THERE ARE NO EXCUSES FOR BEING WHO WE ARE BECAUSE WE ARE…AND THATS IT…LIFE GOES ON…DID NOT STOP BECAUSE OF REJECTION…FROM THE CONTINENTS OF AFRICA TO THE SHORES OF AMERICA…THIS USA…THE MAJORITY OF THE RACES ARE BLACKAPHOBIC…BEEN TAUGHT TO BE SO FROM THE CRADLE TO FOREVER…DOES NOT STOP US OR CAUSE US TO GO INTO HIDDING…BECAUSE GOD JUSTIFIED US…HOMOPHOBIA…JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THE TERM…BECAUSE SOMEONE REJECTS YOUR LIFESTYLE…THEY REJECT THE LIFESTYLE OF A CHILD MOLESTER…MOLESTER…HATERS OF RACES…ROBBERS…THIEFS…LIERS…BACKBITERS…FONICATORS…ADULTERERS…ETC…SHOULD WE CALL ALL THESE THINGS A PHOBIA??? LETS TALK
Sin is sin. Adulterer, thief, murerer, slanderer, fornicator, liar.
Sex without marriage, sin, sex with the same sex, sin. We cannot keep beeting around the bush.
It is not about who you are it is about the sin. We have a choice, and if we continue to live our lives sinfully, we will find out on jugement day where it leads us. God hates sin and as a beleiver and follower of Christ we should hate sit.
We need to remember it does not meane we hate our brothers and sisters. Becasue, the last commandment was the love the Lord with all are hearts, minds and souls and love our neighbors as we love ourselves.
If you are loving your neighbor (sinnner) as you love yourself, you are saying self this is a sin and I hate it.
Let’s stop saying it is the Church. Most people that go to church, are just that, Church goers and you will get the kind of reaction you have gotten from church goers. But, if you are a follower of Christ, someone that believes and adheres to the word of God, you will get a loving person that is only trying to keep you soul from going to hell. We are only here to spread the Good News and if you don’t want to received it, it is on you.
If you work for McDonalds, does it make sense for you to wear a Burger King uniform?
Bottomline is this. Homosexual or not. If you profess to call yourself a “christian”, then you agree and must fall inline with what the bible says. Not just part of the bible but ALL of it!
If you disagree with the word, then don’t call yourselves “christians”. Plain and simple. God gives us all free will. It is your choice.
The bible says…
Romans 1:
26 Because they do this, God has given them over to shameful passions. Even the women pervert the natural use of their sex by unnatural acts.
27 In the same way the men give up natural sexual relations with women and burn with passion for each other. Men do shameful things with each other, and as a result they bring upon themselves the punishment they deserve for their wrongdoing.
I thank God for the leadership I’m under. I’m not gay but I was a true fornicator and it was NOT accepted at ALL! In my pastor’s eye, sin is sin. And the “treatment” I received was no different than those who struggled with other types of sins.
Hell is real if you dont believe it ask determined!!
We as black people are so confused. Listen up people. Right is right and wrong is wrong! Its simple as that! If you believe in GOD and are a Christian, then you believe in what he believes in. Homosexuality is wrong. No matter if you were born with the feelings, choose to do it, or whatever. The thing is…gay people feel like straight people owe them something. Yes, it is your right to be gay, but that doesn’t make it the right decision. Life is full of decisions. You chose to become a Christian. No one forced you. Yes, GOD is a merciful GOD, but that is, when you repent and ask for forgiveness. Repenting means that you made a mistake and will try not to do it again. Church is about the truth. No man’s truth, but HIS truth. How can you ask people to bend or hide the truth. Tough luck if you go to church and hear that this isn’t right. You need to hear it because satan has taken over your thoughts and you actually believe that being gay is right! I love people but I CANNOT be convinced that this is right! Church people aren’t hating…just speaking the truth and if you are living that lifestyle…you can’t handle the truth!
it’s like “Her Opionion” say, “wrong is wrong”! to christians our beliefs are our foundation. then there is a little bit of common sense. two of the same doesn’t reproduce anything. so, therefore it’s not natural. then, why give up believing in GOD or trusting christians for what is wrong. some say they are men trapped in a woman’s body or vice versa. WHAT? Does GOD make mistakes? then what kind of christian am I to believe in a GOD that makes mistakes? then, they’ll sometimes play the opposite sex to the same thing. a man’ll play woman to another man. why won’t that gay man just do that with a woman that he does to the man. but, i know it’s probably more deep to the ones who are gay than that. being gay is wrong and there’s no righting it! man and woman reproduce. two women or two men don’t. public exceptance of gays on BET or anywhere else. no! i don’t mean harrass gays or anything. they’re people, but i don’t associate with that gays. it’s my beliefs and i want heaven and i’m not moving on that! family member being gay? i can’t and won’t except it, but that’s me. but we’ll all get our answers when Jesus comes again. will you be ready? Are worldly things worth giving up God?
Gays should be told the truth about sin. Homosexuality is a sin,so why agree with anyone in a sinful state. God loves gays ,but He hates the sin. The spirit of homosexuality is more dangerous than you realize. It is Satan attempt to mock God’s creation. Christ die for the sins of the world. If you really care about gays,share the Love of Christ with them. Homophobia is a word for accept my sin as a way of life. The spirit of homosexuality desires to converts anybody in it’s path. And it get angery when it can not convert. The blood of christ can defang that spirit.
We all know that being a lesiban or gay is a sin just like telling white lies or committing murders or coveting someone elses wife or husband. we as christians work everyday to change that. the problem is when people who are gay are not willing to change that they are choosing to live that lifestyle know the consequences.
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